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mountainman · 02-08-2012, 11:02 PM

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See Theodoret/Ecclesiastical_History/Book_III/Chapter_20 for an interesting discussion.

Thanks Andrew.

sotto voce · 02-09-2012, 03:39 AM

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I'll take note of unambiguous evidence of Christianity before the 4th century when it is presented.

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If you cannot process, or give a damn, about the ancient historical evidence then you are not playing the game of ancient history, but some other game.

I'm just not playing yours.

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I simply do not trust the integrity of the information furnished by the supremely victorious Constantinian heresiologists.

Nor do I. This was merely a question of the evil empire, having realised that 'the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church', realising that it would never be able to totally eradicate this embarrassment, having to paint its gates with Christian whitewash. So it had to decide on just one set of heresies, heresies that did not egregiously conflict with each other. And it 'heroically' anathematised glaring, buffoonish heresies, that it had quite possibly set up itself for this very purpose. And of course it thereafter milked the hero worship for all it was worth, as Catholics do to this day. So it banished some heresy, and it officiously defined other heresy, that lay diametrically opposed to Christianity, as orthodoxy. Christianity, an end to 'nasty, brutish and short' lives, free speech, democracy and pluralism, all had to wait for the Renaissance. Totally unnecessarily.

So let's be more circumspect when talking about vested interests.

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Let's be more circumspect about the appearance of vested interests in the 4th century.

Oh, agreed.

mountainman · 02-09-2012, 05:21 AM

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If you cannot process, or give a damn, about the ancient historical evidence then you are not playing the game of ancient history, but some other game.

I'm just not playing yours.

There's a place for critical skepticism of all items listed as "evidence" prior to the so-called legalization of The Early "Christian Poker Association"

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