Brion

Cancer-Paedophiles-Siamese Twins. Can you add to the list ?

Keith&Co.

None of those impact ID. ID carefully avoids mention of a perfect creator. So the resulting Creation need not be perfect. Or, if perfect at the start, there's no reason that man's sinful nature can't introduce mistakes after the start.

dimbulb

Why argue ID vs Evolution?

First, let the Believers prove that their particular god exists.

If I said "Ralph Smedley invented the jet engine in 1619" wouldn't the first step be for me to prove Smedley actually existed?

And if my research couldn't find Smedley but found a jet was buzzing around Jamestown on that date then wouldn't it be a good idea for me to see if possibly someone else there invented it?

So I'd think the believer should also have to prove that only his god could have been the Designer and no other. Or if he is a monotheist he can just prove that no other gods exist. I'd suggest he go through the list alphabetically to avoid confusion.

Then when the Believer has proven that his god was the only one who could possibly have design this mess. Then we can argue over which way his god created life on earth. Finger snap or evolution over time.

funinspace

ID has nothing to do with science, it is theology in drag. Basically, it is a fancy way of saying goddoneit, for those things we don't currently have an solid theoretical model for. The just very carefully avoid saying the word "god", and stick to vague words like entity or intelligence.

JerryM

How about quantum uncertainty as a point against any kind of purposeful or ordered design?

TheRealityOfMan

ID is a conspiracy theory.

sourdough

sure just Google; Gods greatest mistakes

-Jay-

Off to ~E~.

regards,

NinJay