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There is a very simple explanation for the paucity of Christian iconography in the early years of the church.
Gabrielli Finaldi (a curator at London's National Gallery) explains:
The earliest Christians (still predominantly Jewish, of course) eschewed such images in favour of Christian symbols (such as the anchor and the fish); later Christians (emphasising the personal relationship between Christ and his followers) were bold enough to represent him as the Good Shepherd (but nothing more); Constantine himself preferred a simple cross (as previously noted by Mr Kirby), while 4th Century Christians celebrated the triumph of Christianity over paganism with a tribute to Christus Rex. And finally, at long last, we have the crucified Christ. __________________ People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. Søren Kierkegaard |
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The Skirball museum in Los Angeles has a third century mural from a Hellenistic Jewish synagogue in Dura-Europa, Syria. It portrays the high priest Aaron (written ARWN in Greek characters, and other figures. There is no good explanation as to why early Jewish-Christians did not make art work featuring a human Jesus, if they in fact thought of him as human. |
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The roots of this prohibition are found in the Law of Moses, with which you are clearly unfamiliar:
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Allow me to correct you.
The original citation was:
Now your citation:
Not only that, but the Duros-Europos synagogue was built in Syria (not Israel) in the 3rd Century (not the 1st), and reflects the influences of (a) the era in which it was built, and (b) the cultural environment in which it was immersed. Your citation is therefore irrelevant, and Finaldi's point still stands. Once again, the exception proves the rule. |
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Ev - your citation from the Jewish Encyclopedia doesn't have any dates on it, so it's not clear when exactly the prohibition of graven images was extended to all art.
In any case, Dura-Europa shows that Hellenistic Jews rahter close to the time of Christ and not that far away from Jerusalem were painting images. If the Christians of that era were not painting images of Jesus, there has to be some other explanation than their Jewish origins. |
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I own two pieces of early Christian Art. Oil lamps from early to mid 4th Century Carthage. One depicts a Cross in the center of the lamp with the oil intake right in the center of the cross, and the cross coming out in concentric rings around it (actually looking a lot like a four leaf clover. The other shows a lamb in the center. Both have symbols around the edges showing concentric crosses (like four leaf clovers). None show Jesus. I also have a coin that I found from that same time period. It shows a bearded man with a helmet on top of which is a cross and he is holding an orb with a cross on it. I had always assumed that the figure was Justinian, but now I'm not so sure - could it be Jesus? The Romans put their gods on their coins all the time - not just their leaders. I have several others showing various gods.
When I lived in Tunis, I scoured the souks for good artifacts, and saw many crosses on various lamps and the like, but I never did see a crucifixion. Interesting discussion. SLD |
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Once again, in The Oxford Illustrated History of Christianity, p. 54 is a marble sculpture of Jonah from the third century. It is described: Quote:
In the same book there is an earlier depiction of a fresco associated with the Aurelii: Quote:
I kind of wish Bede would chime in. He had mentioned magical amulets of the third/fourth centuries depicting crucifixions and Christian crucifixions, but stated they were not religious artifacts. The Oxford Illustrated... definitely agrees with him, though by the tone of the intro that is to be expected. |
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