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Ameena · 08-21-2003, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by Vajradhara
Namaste all,

the link provided points to a page that is no longer available.

if you seach for Buddhism and Islam, you will find some information out there. much too my dismay, it's almost completely incorrect.

i've seen a few things related to this...

1. Maitreya is supposed to be Mohammad
2. Buddhism is self contradictory and causes depression
3. Buddhism causes intelligent people to become idiots.

the #1 item lists, usually the predictions that the Buddha made regarding the advent of the next Buddha. the Muslim scholars then use the words "compassionate, merciful" and so forth to show that Mohammad was described in that fashion, ergo, the Buddha was talking about Mohammad. of course, they don't read much further than that and fail to realize that there are many Buddhas that have come and are still to come.... which would mean that Mohammad was not the final prophet of Allah.

What Islamists do not understand is the meaning of the word 'Buddha'. It is an old Pali word pertaining to knowledge/enlightment. Anybody will become a Buddha if he/she realizes/understands by him/herself (without any divine intervention) the wheel of causality. The first to be enlightened was called Buddha. Also, Buddha rediculed the idea of a creator god. If Muhammad is a Buddha there should not exist Allah.

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generally speaking, i use the same line everywhere... it would be foolish to learn astrophysics from someone that was not an astrophysicst and it would be equally foolish to learn Buddhism from someone that was not a Buddhist.

I have read this article long time ago. As Vajradhara rightly pointed out, those articles are written by Islam Scholars. Every religion seen from another religion is contradictory and false. thats why there are so many religions in the world

Vajradhara · 08-21-2003, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by Ameena
What Islamists do not understand is the meaning of the word 'Buddha'. It is an old Pali word pertaining to knowledge/enlightment. Anybody will become a Buddha if he/she realizes/understands by him/herself (without any divine intervention) the wheel of causality. The first to be enlightened was called Buddha. Also, Buddha rediculed the idea of a creator god. If Muhammad is a Buddha there should not exist Allah.

I have read this article long time ago. As Vajradhara rightly pointed out, those articles are written by Islam Scholars. Every religion seen from another religion is contradictory and false. thats why there are so many religions in the world

Namaste Ameena,

agreed

thank you for the post.

andy_d · 08-22-2003, 02:45 AM

Besides, isn't Maitreya only due to pop up once Shakyamuni's dharma is lost? In fact, isn't that specifically why he starts teaching?

Always makes me laugh when I hear people talk of Maitreya. It seems rather obvious to me that it isn't quite time yet.

Vajradhara · 08-22-2003, 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by andy_d
Besides, isn't Maitreya only due to pop up once Shakyamuni's dharma is lost? In fact, isn't that specifically why he starts teaching?

Always makes me laugh when I hear people talk of Maitreya. It seems rather obvious to me that it isn't quite time yet.

Namaste andy,

indeed

Maitreya is not due to appear until the next world age

he or she will rediscover the Dharma and spread it through the world again.

heck... and there's 12 more to come after Maitreya at that!

lugotorix · 08-22-2003, 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by andy_d
Besides, isn't Maitreya only due to pop up once Shakyamuni's dharma is lost? In fact, isn't that specifically why he starts teaching?

Always makes me laugh when I hear people talk of Maitreya. It seems rather obvious to me that it isn't quite time yet.

Yes, it's a prerequisite to his coming that Shakyamuni's teaching has disappeared, and since those teachings are the source of info about Maitreya, as long as anyone remembers the name Maitreya you can be sure he hasn't come yet.

The other prerequisites (which seem to be forgotten by Maitreya-wannabes like L. Ron Hubbard or Bahu'allah) are:

a Chakravartin or world king ruling from India
an average 80,000 year human lifespan

both of which I'm fairly certain haven't come to pass.

lugotorix

Vajradhara · 08-22-2003, 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by lugotorix
Yes, it's a prerequisite to his coming that Shakyamuni's teaching has disappeared, and since those teachings are the source of info about Maitreya, as long as anyone remembers the name Maitreya you can be sure he hasn't come yet.

The other prerequisites (which seem to be forgotten by Maitreya-wannabes like L. Ron Hubbard or Bahu'allah) are:
a Chakravartin or world king ruling from India

an average 80,000 year human lifespan

both of which I'm fairly certain haven't come to pass.

lugotorix

Namaste lugotorix,

hold on a second... are you saying that i'm NOT going to live for 80,000 years? hmm... i'd better get cracking then with my practice

Ameena · 08-22-2003, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by lugotorix
Yes, it's a prerequisite to his coming that Shakyamuni's teaching has disappeared, and since those teachings are the source of info about Maitreya, as long as anyone remembers the name Maitreya you can be sure he hasn't come yet.

The other prerequisites (which seem to be forgotten by Maitreya-wannabes like L. Ron Hubbard or Bahu'allah) are:
a Chakravartin or world king ruling from India

an average 80,000 year human lifespan

both of which I'm fairly certain haven't come to pass.

lugotorix

Don't take them too literally. Even if we beome technologically so advanced as to live (by transplanting worn out body parts or cyborging) 1000 years, nobody will want to live that long. (Remember 'Bi-centannial Man' by Isac Asimov?). When the life span is too long, people will not seek any relief in religion.
Also, if the life span is too short again religion will not be attractive. Sakymuni appeared at a time when human life span was 120 year (it is said).

Also, I wonder why all the past Buddhas and future Buddhas come from India? Is it because Buddha's knowledge of geography limited to India and the adjoining countries? From what I heard,
Buddha has mentioned only 4 countries in his sermons/discussions. They are; Jambu Dveep (India), Uttar Kaurav Dveep (??), Majjima Desh (China) and Aparnaka Desh (Afganistan).

premjan · 08-25-2003, 07:34 AM

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Even inside India I don't know how many believe in Adam coming to Srilanka.
Oh well

I think there is some mistaken conflation of Rama with Adam. Rama is said to have built a bridge of stones between South India and Lanka. This was probably mistakenly renamed by the British as Adam's Bridge.

Dr. Jagan Mohan · 12-22-2003, 08:24 AM

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Also, I wonder why all the past Buddhas and future Buddhas come from India?

Buddhas appear all over the Universe... on all planets, including the Heavens.

Buddhas or Awakened ones will arise from all Sentinent, Intelligent Lifeforms. Not necessarity as Humans.

Nowhere Buddhism claims India to be the only birth place of Buddhas past and future.

The Sakyamuni has appeared in India, but this does not mean anything special about India.

Dr. Jagan Mohan · 12-22-2003, 08:43 AM

Islam suffers from an Inferiority complex.. an urge to prove the Quran as the world of God.

Just as some Christians indulge in biblican-codes, Torah codes and such, the Muslims have taken a step much further, trying to find Science in the Quran.

They show verses alluding to smoke, earth and heaven commanded by Allah to come together willingly, etc and conclude that the Big Bang Theory is there.... with all the physics calculations, theorems and derivations! Stupid scientists who are working on a theory of everything are just plain dumb! They should look into the Quran instead and become enlightened!

Chewed flesh, clot of blood all become ultra scientific Embryology, seas, mountains and other geology written clearly, and the funniest of all,

finding Mohammad in the Scriptures of other religions to lend credibility to Islamic claim of Big Mo' as the last Prophet!

What a stupid exercise in idiocracy!!

By the way, I found my name in the bible too.

You all bow down to me now!:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

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08-22-2003, 02:45 AM	#13
andy_d Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: umop apisbn Posts: 568	Besides, isn't Maitreya only due to pop up once Shakyamuni's dharma is lost? In fact, isn't that specifically why he starts teaching? Always makes me laugh when I hear people talk of Maitreya. It seems rather obvious to me that it isn't quite time yet.

12-22-2003, 08:43 AM	#20
Dr. Jagan Mohan Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Presently on the 'move' :) Posts: 98	Islam suffers from an Inferiority complex.. an urge to prove the Quran as the world of God. Just as some Christians indulge in biblican-codes, Torah codes and such, the Muslims have taken a step much further, trying to find Science in the Quran. They show verses alluding to smoke, earth and heaven commanded by Allah to come together willingly, etc and conclude that the Big Bang Theory is there.... with all the physics calculations, theorems and derivations! Stupid scientists who are working on a theory of everything are just plain dumb! They should look into the Quran instead and become enlightened! Chewed flesh, clot of blood all become ultra scientific Embryology, seas, mountains and other geology written clearly, and the funniest of all, finding Mohammad in the Scriptures of other religions to lend credibility to Islamic claim of Big Mo' as the last Prophet! What a stupid exercise in idiocracy!! By the way, I found my name in the bible too. You all bow down to me now!:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

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