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Detrius · 06-26-2006, 12:21 AM

The simplest argument against the infiniteness of god is the non-existence of god. If god doesn't exist, s/he can't be eternal.

one allegiance · 06-26-2006, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Detrius

The simplest argument against the infiniteness of god is the non-existence of god. If god doesn't exist, s/he can't be eternal.

Proof?

Detrius · 06-26-2006, 01:16 AM

it's freaking one in the morning. I'll give you irrefutable proof later.

one allegiance · 06-26-2006, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Detrius

it's freaking one in the morning. I'll give you irrefutable proof later.

ha...deal. I doubt it will be irrefutable though

Faldage · 06-26-2006, 04:06 AM

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If god doesn't exist, s/he can't be eternal.

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Non-existent things have neither a beginning nor an end

Looks to me like it's a question of definition.

UncleJim · 06-26-2006, 08:06 AM

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This requires that your underlying premise of a previously nonexistence universe is valid. There is no evidence to support such a claim.

I don't see that at all - the point of the quote is the reference to two possible states of eternity, the "timeless state" - and eternity as infinite duration or "infinite time"...

What does that have to do with your claim that at one point the universe was nothing; i.e., nonexistent?

pob14 · 06-26-2006, 01:53 PM

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Is there arguement against his eternity ? I think it's impossible to deny his eternal because god as no beginning and no end.

And it is impossible to deny that this sleeping potion works because of its dormative virtue. (Apologies to Moliere.)

DBT · 06-27-2006, 12:15 AM

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What does that have to do with your claim that at one point the universe was nothing; i.e., nonexistent?

I'm not sure what you mean, I've made no claims in that regard- and the quote only mentions this....

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events, if any, occurred during the quantity of time preceding the existence of the universe.

But It is generally assumed that the universe had a beginning, the evidence points to it.

one allegiance · 06-27-2006, 01:32 AM

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This requires that your underlying premise of a previously nonexistence universe is valid. There is no evidence to support such a claim.

Of course there is. There have been many studies suggesting the universe is changing and had a beginning.

Atheos · 06-27-2006, 02:29 AM

Let's all please try to avoid derailing this thread into something I'm going to have to ship over to S&S (Discussion of the Big Bang/Nature of the universe). The OP deals with a question regarding whether or not "God" is eternal.

There is certainly a lot of scientific inquiry into the origins of the universe as we know it, but I'm not aware of any definite conclusions that have been made other than that the universe as we know it appears to have been expanding for approximately 15 billion years.

Having said that, Yahwists don't get to claim that "The universe began with a rapid expansion from a singularity approximately 15 billion years ago" means

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Eternal Yahweh created the heavens and the earth, after which he created light. He then created a solid firmament to seprate the water in the sky from the water on the ground, then created plants, after which he created the sun, moon and stars. Next Yahweh created fish, birds, animals and finally man. Oh and by the way Yahweh told me he wants us to kill homosexuals and that it's an abomination to seethe a baby goat in its mother's milk.

Sorry. The evidence clearly shows all that to be hogwash.

-Atheos

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06-26-2006, 12:21 AM	#11
Detrius Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: San Pedro, CA Posts: 746	The simplest argument against the infiniteness of god is the non-existence of god. If god doesn't exist, s/he can't be eternal.

06-26-2006, 01:16 AM	#13
Detrius Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: San Pedro, CA Posts: 746	it's freaking one in the morning. I'll give you irrefutable proof later.

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