Paul2

Most early civilizations were built around periodically flooding rivers. Of course floods would be part of "pop culture."

Plato wrote a lot of works of fiction. How do you know he wasn't writing an entertaining story about this mythical land? It would be like a science fiction writer writing a book about spiritual beings, Xenu, and body thetans and people believing it was true. Oh wait... damn you tom cruise!


yes but to what extent? enough to melt an entire glacier? You're missing one key element in this argument i think. Glaciers are only the TIPS of MUCH LARGER "FEEDER" FIELDS.

This is a lot of speculated bullshit with no supporting evidence. I'll add one to the list to be fun, an impact of this size would knock up my sister and flatten my truck tires.

Pure speculation which is unsupported by facts. The text reads like a b movie script.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

Look at the myths from these aforementioned regions and then tell me you still agree.

At one point, most of the land we see today was covered in water. At one point in time, the mountains we see were covered in water, because they wern't formed yet. That is why you find fossils of see creatures, and sea shells at the top of mountains. If there was a global flood on the scale depicted in the bible, you would be able to identify a single layer of sediment that exists globally. Good luck.


im bored with this now.

spamandham

I agree that nothing like the biblical flood could possibly have happened, but that doesn't mean there was not a time when flooding was rampant - such as at the end of the last ice age when the climate changed dramatically.

Again though, a simple explanation for similarity in flood stories, is that the stories have a common source. In no way does that imply that the source story was true.

Jet Black

like "ow my eyes" followed by death, which is quite permanent.

Peez

Creationism is just plain silly, but the belief that there was a world-wide flood some few thousand years ago stands out as incredibly stupid even in comparison with most other creationist ideas. It really boggles my mind that anyone with access to the internet (or a half-way decent library, for that matter) could accept such a manifestly absurd proposal. Here are a couple of useful links on this topic:

Problems with a Global Flood
Flood Stories from Around the World

Peez

Jack the Bodiless

There are various phenomena which might have inspired the Flood myth, but citing some of these as "evidence of the Flood" is rather bizarre. When a fictional story is based on real events, how can the events then become evidence that the story is true?

Here's a few, with varying degrees of plausibility:

1. A big flood of the Euphrates circa 2900 BC.

2. Filling of the Black Sea basin circa 8000 BC.

3. Global sea level rise at the end of the last Ice Age, 12000 BC onwards.

4. Various local floods.

5. Tsunami associated with the Toba Explosion circa 75,000 BC (actually Toba is on land, but it may have triggered a fault slippage... who knows)?

6. Marine fossils on what is now dry land may have triggered a global flood story.

...Or any combination of the above.

ninewands

Evidence against a global flood:

1. Paleosols (sub-aerial deposits in a moist climate) in every geologic age
   
2. Dune sands and red-beds (sub-aerial deposits in a dry climate) in every geologic age
   
3. Insufficient water to inundate the land even if every speck off ice on earth was melted
   
4. The surface temp and atmospheric pressure on earth would have been unsurvivable to life as we know it if there had been sufficient water vapor in the atmosphere to have flooded all the land to 18 feet above the summit of Mt. Everest
   
5. Insufficient time for the earth to have cooled to a survivable temperature if there WAS enough water vapor in the atmosphere to inundate the earth and it all condensed (535 calories/gram heat of evaporation released) and fell to earth in 40 days and 40 nights 4500 years ago
   
6. ...
   
   ad infinitum

Do I really need to list all the rest of it? :huh:

TomboyMom

Wow, that's a lot of sciency sounding bullcrap in one piece. How about if we pick one bit at a time to obliterate with the facts?
I'll just address two tiny bits:

1. It assumes from the beginning what it's trying to find out. Was there ever a Great Flood? No. Therefore it wasn't any kind of event.
2. Flood stories all over the world. Uh, cuz there have been floods all over the world. Just not all at once, because that's not physically possible. There's only so much water! There's probably not a piece of land on earth that was not under water at some time or another, but never all at once. Can't be done.

ninewands

But there were only eight and they were all on the boat so they had an ulterior motive not to let on how traumatized they were because it might piss off the one who caused the flood in the first place ...

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GilgameshEnkidu

I read ana rticle that said there was a huge lake on the Canadian praries around 8000 BC that eventually emptied due to ice melting, into Hudsons bay. They said all this water may have caused areas like the black sea to flood.

They can map the edges of this huge lake, and the lake region of Manitoba is what is left of it.

Mike PSS

nightflight made a amatuer mistake. I'm assuming gender here so sorry if I'm wrong.

He threw all his story on the table all at once. Now the entire story can get eviscerated instead of having to drag through refutations of each point and having nightflight bring up more erroneous "supporting" stories and "answers" as the beginning points are buried under mountains of evidence.

I'll leave it to others to counter the supposed connectivity and consiliance of your events for now.

What is the purpose of this whole story you've presented? Are you an OEC? Maybe you will have a brick left to stand on when this is all done. A tiny brick called pre-Big Bang but a brick all the same. Far more secure then the magic carpets that the YECs ride upon.