Nuwanda

After recently watching a deep sea investigation by a Swedish discovery team of the claims that remnants of Egyptian chariot wheels lay on the sand bar off the coast of the Gulf of Aqaba, located at the Red Sea. The team did an amazing job showning how the Gulf of Aqaba perfectly fits the Exodus account, geographically, and then discovering what appears to be chariot wheels covered in coral took the documentory over the top, for me.

I've heard opposition which says that one of the most profound wheel discoveries was a fake, and deposited by its original "discoverer." But I've heard no dispute that explains the coral covered wheels found randomly, and in abundance, throughout the area.

If secular atheists claim to be moved by the lack of evidence for Biblical claims, then what do they do with this discovery? If there could be evidence of the Red Sea crossing, what would be acceptable evidence if this is not?

The info is readily found with a quick google search, key words "Red Sea" "crossing" "coral" "wheels." Here's one good reference:
http://users.netconnect.com.au/~leedas/redsea.html
A DVD is also available called: "The Exodus Revealed" by Discovery Media Productions.

Autonemesis

Three is "abundant?"

Nuwanda

I recently came across the information, but if I'm correct, the Swedish team found more than 3. I know the three you are refering to and they are incredible. There are at least 2 more that are equally impressive. But in addition to the obvious wheel formations, many axle looking coral formations were also found. Plus, there have only been few excavation teams that have been allowed to dive in the region, more dives might produce many more finds.

The underwater video displays vast and random coral deposits that have very unusual formations that I found fascinating. For the sake of argument, lets say only 3 were found so far. What is the explanation for there being chariot wheels, resembling ancient Egyptian chariot wheels, scattered on the land bridge connecting the two ends of the shoreline that match the Exodus account with near perfection? Whether it's 3 or 30 isn't it at least interesting and worthy of a suspension of judgment of age old denial of the Exodus sea crossing story?

Check this website as well. There are more than "4-spoke" wheels found.http://www.pinkoski.com/files/index.php?id=34

AthenaAwakened

Let's say for the sake of argument those are real eqyptian wheels AND they are from the appoximate time period.

So?

Thousands of years from now, a discovery team may find a '75 Buick in the east river. Should they conclude that god flooded a GM dealership?

fromdownunder

Given that Ron Wyatt has also claimed to have found Noah's Ark on the mountain next to Ararat in Turkey, the "true" Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia and the Ark of the Covenant with the Ten Commandments near the site of Jesus Christ's crucifixion, I think that this discovery can also be taken with a grain of salt.

Evidence of underwater photography, with coral formations that are (possibly) attached to other coral formations is clear. Evidence of chariot wheels is not at this point, and one would have thought that if the evidence was strong, and available since 1987, the Egyptian Government would have at least allowed closer investigation.

Norm

Stacey Melissa

Ron Wyatt has zero credibility on this board. He was the perpetrator of all sorts of archeological fraud. Hell, even the YEC site AnswersInGenesis.org gets in on the Wyatt-debunking action.

To answer the question posed in the title... I'd accept any number of things as proof of your god's existence. Some examples: If a chinchilla magically appears on my desk right now, I'll believe in your god. Or if a kangaroo magically appears in my kitchen. Or if the gospel message appears in flaming letters in the sky, verifiable by anyone who looks up. Or if all fighting in the world stopped at this moment. Or if President Bush grows two extra heads for his next TV appearance.

But three things that look like they could be chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea? Sorry, I'd really expect more from an omnipotent superbeing.

Stacey Melissa

It could easily be stuff that was pushed off or fell from a barge. Wheels and spindles are used for a lot of different stuff besides chariots.

Hell, maybe those things are chariot wheels... that rolled off a barge.

Not-For-Prophet

Something I would accept as proof? Your alleged god could appear, announce that all the amputees in the world were now going to grow their limbs back, and then make it happen. Or everyone who was paralyzed would suddenly regain the use of their bodies. Not a single person would die for a year. Every blind person would regain their sight. Something clear and unambiguous like that.

Chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea? There must be a least a half-dozen more plausible ways they got there, if that is even what they are.

Queen of Swords

I remember watching the Red Sea scene in The Ten Commandments and thinking, "No way. Ramses isn't actually going to order his army to chase them out into the sea. Anyone can tell it's a trap." The story just didn't ring true.

Nuwanda

I agree with you on Ron Wyatt claiming to have found both Arks. Neither of which are verified so I believe they should be disgarded. However, the Red Sea crossing evidence has been verified by other sources, so in my estimation it is worthy of extensive debate.

I don't believe that the Egyptian or Saudi governments, Islamic ruled nations, have anything to gain from extensive investigations. If I was interested in mantaining an Islamic nation I would not grant the opposing team (Jews and Christians) points on my home court. Would you?