Johnny Skeptic

Message to Lee Merrill:

Can you reasonably prove that the Tyre prophecy was made well before Nebby attacked the mainland settlement? A few weeks before, or even a few months before won't do. The attacks would have been planned months in advance, and Ezekiel might have known about them from someone who lived in Babylon.

What about the prophecy indicates divine inspiration? I don't see anything at all unusual about a conqueror trying to conquer, especially a city as rich as Tyre was, and logistically easy to attack due to its close proximity to Babylon. It would have been much more unusual if Nebby had not attacked Tyre. In addition, it would have been much more unusual if Tyre had never been defeated. Historically, kingdoms rising and falling has been the norm, not the exception.

Sven

This is apparantly not about "horsemen", but about "horseshit". Lee continues to amaze me with his drivel - the above is so fucking stupid, he simply has to do this intentionally.

Not that this really needs refutation, but just note this: Even if Lee were right and "much people", "horsemen", "companies", and whatever, are really all singular - then nevertheless the list "Nebuchadrezzar, horses, chariots, horsemen, companies, much people" is plural.

IOW, "they" = "Nebuchadrezzar + horses + chariots + horsemen + companies + much people".

IevenOW, it's simply irrelevant if either one of those terms is singular or plural.

Johnny Skeptic

EZE 28:6-8 say "Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God; Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness. They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas." The words "I will bring strangers upon thee" indicate God's direct involvement, but don't Christians find it strange that neither God nor his proxies were able to defeat all of Tyre for centuries? God had no problem quickly destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, all of the firstborn males in Egypt, and the Egyptian army in the Red Sea. What happened to this kind of efficiency in the case of Tyre? Even the New Testament speaks harshly against Tyre, and yet God allowed it to survive for centuries after an initial long tirade by Ezekiel. Matthew 11:21-22 say "Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you."

The Tyre prophecy gives every indication that it was the Jews who got mad at neighboring, wealthy and powerful Tyre, not God.

Sauron

Nope.

As usual, I'm repeating previous responses for you, since you never seem to get anything the first three times:

Wrong. Because of the contextual point that you are avoiding, the rule *does* work. See the definition I posted.

And knowing full well that you didn't have a clue what I was talking about, see also the definition of "collective noun" I provided.

Sauron

Well put. :thumbs:

Even if each of these terms is a singular term by itself, that's OK. Because when taken together, the entire group of terms comprises a plural.

martini

i do not believe i have ever ever seen someone have their own ass so eloquently served to them. this is simply mind-numbing.

cajela

:wave:
I've been lurking on and off. Fascinating stuff, Sauron. I've been following your links (including the ones that lee claims don't exist :Cheeky: ) I'm merely an interested amateur in ancient history - did Latin & Ancient History in school; read popular books. I agree that Lee's apologetics are laughable and his case was long long lost, but the continued presentation of evidence in so many varied areas has been fascinating.

BTW, here's my favourite fort - I lived here for a couple of years. Lovely straight lines - and lots of them!

badger3k

Edited for space. I couldn't tell from the source - other than that it might be German - what/where is this?

lee_merrill

Hi everyone,

Sorry about not responding to all points made, I have been rather busy for the last couple of weeks...

No, I can't, it had to have been pretty soon (archaeologically speaking), since Neb was mentioned as if people would know about him.

Well, people here do seem to think it was improbable!

Yes, I agree, I don't think simply saying some kingdom will fall is very impressive. Saying Tyre would fall would have seemed improbable, though, given its defenses and the advantage the Tyrians had at sea, and then after the multi-year siege by Neb, that didn't even touch the island fortress, and after Alex's first failed attempt. These were not conqueror-wanna-be's!

Well yes, again I agree, only the rule said look for the earliest plural noun that could fit. Certainly the rule needs adjustment, considerable adjustment.

The typical way to address a further response is to ... address the further response. If it is not a mere repetition. As this is a repetition, I shall consider my job done, for now!

Yes, and I claim it doesn't exist, because it is not forthcoming! Nor do I remember it, and I have tried to keep up in this thread.

Yes, I'm curious, too...

Regards,
Lee

cajela

It's called Naarden Vesting, in the Netherlands. It's not far south-east from Amsterdam (maybe 30km?); very close to Hilversum. "Vesting" just means fortress, by the way. Ain't it pretty. I used to cycle round there. And there's a deer park.