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maryhelena · 10-21-2012, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

So let's look again at what DCH is suggesting.

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358/7 BCE would be the 1st year of Artaxerxes III. 490 years later would be 131/2 CE, just as the rebellion started (we know from letters from Kosiba himself he must have been in firm control of the rebellion in Feb 132 CE.

This is very, very significant. I never thought of that before. Bravo.

Artaxerxes III

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Artaxerxes III of Persia (c. 425 BC – 338 BC) was the Great King (Shah) of Persia and the eleventh Emperor of the Achaemenid Empire, as well as the first Pharaoh of the 31st dynasty of Egypt.

The l st year of Artaxerxes III is 425 b.c. - 490 years later and the year is around 65/66 c.e. Prior to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 c.e. No way, using the Wikipedia dating, for Artaxerxes III can one get to the Bar Kockbar war/rebellion of around 132 c.e.

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Correction: That's the birth date for Artaxerxes III - 425 b.c.....

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Ochus was the name of Artaxerxes before ascending the throne; and Artaxerxes III (Old Persian:�� , Artaxšaçrā, "he whose empire is well-fitted" or "perfected", or Arta:"honoured"+Xerxes:"a king" ("the honoured king"), according to Herodotus "the great warrior"[5][6]) was the throne name adopted by Ochus when he succeeded his father in 358 BC.

So, 490 years from 358 b.c. takes one to 132 c.e. and the Bar Kockbar war/rebellion. Apologies David - needed to read the article further.....:redface:

The problem remains though - counting backwards, which this amounts to i.e. from 132 c.e. back to the l st year of Artaxerxes III - there is nothing in that year that connects with any return to Jerusalem.

stephan huller · 10-21-2012, 01:08 AM

Believe it or not Portugal was home to one of the greatest and most authoritative experts on the book of Daniel - Isaac Abarbanel. He wrote the Ma'yanei ha-Yeshu'ah (“The Wellsprings of Salvation" מעייני הישועה) which is a book of commentary on Daniel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Abrabanel

stephan huller · 10-21-2012, 01:09 AM

I actually met some of his descendants when I was in New York and they still involve themselves in the family wine business. Here is the website for Abarbanel Wines http://www.kosher-wine.com/index.php

stephan huller · 10-21-2012, 01:11 AM

One of the more popular traditional dishes in Portugal is dry bacalhau or codfish

stephan huller · 10-21-2012, 01:13 AM

I would imagine that Don Isaac Abarbanel

stephan huller · 10-21-2012, 01:13 AM

would probably have a glass of wine from his vineyard:

stephan huller · 10-21-2012, 01:15 AM

while eating bacalhau (remember unsalted codfish is called bacalhau fresco):

stephan huller · 10-21-2012, 01:20 AM

and then would retire for the day to write a book like his Commentary on Daniel:

stephan huller · 10-21-2012, 01:24 AM

Now that we have introduced Don Isaac Abarbanel it is interesting to remind ourselves that the title of his classic commentary on Daniel is actually a deliberate attempt at ridicule of the Christian messiah. He was so afraid of publishing the book in its entirety while alive that it was complete outside of Portugal by Baruch Uziel Chezketo. Every step along the way Abarbanel is refuting Christian dogma and interpretation of the material in Daniel even if it isn't explicit.

sotto voce · 10-21-2012, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

Now that we have introduced Don Isaac Abarbanel it is interesting to remind ourselves that the title of his classic commentary on Daniel is actually a deliberate attempt at ridicule of the Christian messiah. He was so afraid of publishing the book in its entirety while alive that it was complete outside of Portugal by Baruch Uziel Chezketo. Every step along the way Abarbanel is refuting Christian dogma and interpretation of the material in Daniel even if it isn't explicit.

The papal dogma is apparently that Christianity has dogma.

Perhaps, in a sense, there is some sort of truth in that.

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10-21-2012, 01:08 AM	#102
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Believe it or not Portugal was home to one of the greatest and most authoritative experts on the book of Daniel - Isaac Abarbanel. He wrote the Ma'yanei ha-Yeshu'ah (“The Wellsprings of Salvation" מעייני הישועה) which is a book of commentary on Daniel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Abrabanel

10-21-2012, 01:09 AM	#103
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	I actually met some of his descendants when I was in New York and they still involve themselves in the family wine business. Here is the website for Abarbanel Wines http://www.kosher-wine.com/index.php

10-21-2012, 01:11 AM	#104
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	One of the more popular traditional dishes in Portugal is dry bacalhau or codfish

10-21-2012, 01:13 AM	#105
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	I would imagine that Don Isaac Abarbanel

10-21-2012, 01:13 AM	#106
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	would probably have a glass of wine from his vineyard:

10-21-2012, 01:15 AM	#107
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	while eating bacalhau (remember unsalted codfish is called bacalhau fresco):

10-21-2012, 01:20 AM	#108
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	and then would retire for the day to write a book like his Commentary on Daniel:

10-21-2012, 01:24 AM	#109
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Now that we have introduced Don Isaac Abarbanel it is interesting to remind ourselves that the title of his classic commentary on Daniel is actually a deliberate attempt at ridicule of the Christian messiah. He was so afraid of publishing the book in its entirety while alive that it was complete outside of Portugal by Baruch Uziel Chezketo. Every step along the way Abarbanel is refuting Christian dogma and interpretation of the material in Daniel even if it isn't explicit.

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