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GakuseiDon · 01-02-2010, 02:52 AM

Sure, sounds good. I take it this is the section in your blog that you mean?:

One more thing: Back when Holding had first posted his little essay 'The Impossible Faith' he actually ridiculed a 20 year old college student, Chris Hallquist, for suggesting that first century Judeans probably didn't have identical (or even near identical) standards or ideas about what constitutes 'evidence' that we 21st Century Americans do. Well, I've done some research and have proven that Holding was dead fucking wrong. If you read chapter 6 of The Social Settings of Jesus and the Gospels (or via: amazon.co.uk) edited by Bruce Malina (Holding's hero whom he refers to and generally grovels before constantly) you'll find out that different cultures do indeed have very different ideas about what forms of experience (sensual, dreams, imaginings) constitute valid information in the real world.

You link to Chris's blog here: http://uncrediblehallq.blogspot.com/...o-holding.html

But I'm not sure which comments of Holding's you found were wrong on this subject? Do you have a link for that?

DancesWithCoffeeCups · 01-02-2010, 03:56 AM

I fail to see the relevance of this topic to ABR. If the OP already has a blog on this, I recommend that you carry on this discussion there.

Per ABR forum guidelines:

Abrahamic Religions strives to be a place for meaningful, mature and enjoyable discussion of Christianity, Islam and Judaism. It is not a venue for anti-religious screeds or mockery of theism and theists.

DancesWithCoffeeCups · 01-02-2010, 06:39 PM

Moving to BC&H where Toto has graciously agreed to house it.

Potoooooooo · 01-02-2010, 10:14 PM

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It is not a venue for anti-religious screeds or mockery of theism and theists.

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So which is the right forum for that?

Steven Carr · 01-03-2010, 01:29 AM

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yalla · 01-03-2010, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DancesWithCoffeeCups

It is not a venue for anti-religious screeds or mockery of theism and theists.

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So which is the right forum for that?

Every now and then as I wander around blogs and so on I come across a comment which makes me laugh. One that just strikes me as really funny.
Like the one above.

spin · 01-03-2010, 06:28 AM

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Moving to BC&H where Toto has graciously agreed to house it.

Poor choice. What about FH&J?

spin

DCHindley · 01-03-2010, 09:06 AM

One thing that strikes me about Holding when I do occasionally look at one of his arguments, is that he can access some pretty heavy literature on biblical criticism, but does not seem to comprehend it.

If the discussion were about the geology of the moon, and after citing numerous analytical articles by NASA scientists, he would conclude the moon is made of green cheese. Of course I made that up, but I have seen him do this kind of thing with matters of biblical interpretation (not that it doesn't happen here at FRDB as well, and just as often). A John P. Meir he is not.

DCH

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OK GDon. But before we move on to something else, are you willing to concede that Holding has poor reading comprehension skills? Because that, I believe, is the only explanation for how he could've possibly thought Dawkins argued in a circle. Either that, or he hasn't really read the book (which would make him dishonest).

That concession would make a difference, I think. If Holding has shown that he has poor reading comprehension when it comes to an easy read like Dawkins' book, then that means we really have to check on what he claims about more complex scholarly works.

Doug Shaver · 01-03-2010, 08:04 PM

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But it is hard to believe that Dawkins wouldn't have provided evidence for evolution in his book.

When you read a book on astronomy, do you find it hard to believe if the author does not provide evidence for heliocentrism?

GakuseiDon · 01-03-2010, 08:44 PM

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But it is hard to believe that Dawkins wouldn't have provided evidence for evolution in his book.

When you read a book on astronomy, do you find it hard to believe if the author does not provide evidence for heliocentrism?

No (though I don't see the relevance of your question I'm afraid.)

01-02-2010, 02:52 AM	#21
GakuseiDon Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 5,714	Sure, sounds good. I take it this is the section in your blog that you mean?: One more thing: Back when Holding had first posted his little essay 'The Impossible Faith' he actually ridiculed a 20 year old college student, Chris Hallquist, for suggesting that first century Judeans probably didn't have identical (or even near identical) standards or ideas about what constitutes 'evidence' that we 21st Century Americans do. Well, I've done some research and have proven that Holding was dead fucking wrong. If you read chapter 6 of The Social Settings of Jesus and the Gospels (or via: amazon.co.uk) edited by Bruce Malina (Holding's hero whom he refers to and generally grovels before constantly) you'll find out that different cultures do indeed have very different ideas about what forms of experience (sensual, dreams, imaginings) constitute valid information in the real world. You link to Chris's blog here: http://uncrediblehallq.blogspot.com/...o-holding.html But I'm not sure which comments of Holding's you found were wrong on this subject? Do you have a link for that?

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01-02-2010, 03:56 AM	#22
DancesWithCoffeeCups Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 8,077	I fail to see the relevance of this topic to ABR. If the OP already has a blog on this, I recommend that you carry on this discussion there. Per ABR forum guidelines: Abrahamic Religions strives to be a place for meaningful, mature and enjoyable discussion of Christianity, Islam and Judaism. It is not a venue for anti-religious screeds or mockery of theism and theists.

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DancesWithCoffeeCups Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 8,077	Moving to BC&H where Toto has graciously agreed to house it.

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