Originally Posted by Magus55

Find Jesus Christ's body ( and prove for a fact that its actually Him)

Originally Posted by Amaleq13

I understand what you're suggesting but I think that is a really tough condition to meet given that pattern-detection appears to be inherent to human nature. Detecting patterns is what makes a good hunter and a good farmer. We would never have survived as a species without that ability. Unfortunately, we have no built-in error correction mechanism which makes us prone to "false positives". In other words, we tend to detect patterns where there are none (eg shapes in clouds, face on the moon) and seek to continue observed patterns even when they change (eg sleight-of-hand magic, optical illusions).

This standard becomes even more problematic given that any universe capable of producing and sustaining life complex enough to make such an observation would necessarily have a consistent structure (ie a comprehensible order). A universe with randomly changing laws of physics, for example, would probably not be capable of sustaining the necessary requirements for life to develop.

Originally Posted by inquisitive01

How can a good farmer or hunter "detect" those patterns that cannot be comprehended (by the limited mind of a human)?

Originally Posted by inquisitive01

A lack of the uncomprehendable order/design that is present in the world and the universe.

Originally Posted by grendel prime

cat entered my post before i got to write any text...
anyway, given the current discussions on several other threads, i think that this topic may me useful. personally, if i were in the postion of the disciples, i would consider it logical (though not necessarity correct) to believe that Jesus were in fact the messiah if i were following the man around ad watching him perform all kinds of miracles. receiving second or third hand reports of those miracles from almost two thousand years ago is much less convincing for me. anyway thoughts on conditions for belief?

conversly, from the resident theists, what are your conditions for disbelief?

Originally Posted by grendel prime

is there an expiration date for his second coming?

Originally Posted by Magus55

Find Jesus Christ's body ( and prove for a fact that its actually Him)

Originally Posted by LP675

This is an awesome question. I think for me it would have to be a combination of things; I would have to be convinced subjective experiences I have had which I attribute to interaction with God were just psychological phenomenon, that a multitude of answered prayers were just coincidence, that a number of totally unexplainable answers to prayer were somehow explainable without reference to any supernatural thing, and that spiritual experiences I have had and those I know have had were not spiritual at all (e.g. encounters with demons).

Originally Posted by Jagan

This is impossible regardless of whether Christianity is true. In order to evaluate a hypothesis, we test its predictions against observation. Since atheism, or any other nonChristian view, does not predict that Jesus' body would still exist or be identifiable, it is a spectacularly bad experiment.