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Old 05-28-2012, 11:12 PM   #121
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Yet again you appeal shamelessly to authority. It has always been evident that you have nothing to say. We already know what the biblical scholars say. We don't need you to messily rehearse it. We need people who will approach the material in an analytical manner that may bring new light to it. "Me to" historicism we've had, duffers proposing it for a decade here that I know about

your spewing garbage again

what ive seen here so far is more mistakes in historical context of not only ancient mythology but a complete lack of cultural anthropology and a garbage truck is needed for the imagination displayed.
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Old 05-28-2012, 11:18 PM   #122
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Once again the hollow bleating appeal to authority.

you know as well as I do the man states scholars are biased, he admitted this in other threads. makes my question valid to get to the bottom of said percieved biases.


and "YOU" will get shallow as its what your giving
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Old 05-28-2012, 11:22 PM   #123
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It has always been evident that you have nothing to say.
LOL


thats because I have to keep repeating the material they cannot address nor refute, but then put their imaginary oars back in the water and try and row around it in silence.
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Yet again you appeal shamelessly to authority. It has always been evident that you have nothing to say. We already know what the biblical scholars say. We don't need you to messily rehearse it. We need people who will approach the material in an analytical manner that may bring new light to it. "Me to" historicism we've had, duffers proposing it for a decade here that I know about
your spewing garbage again
That's not a denial of course, you can't deny your continual shameless appeals to authority. It's just another assertion.

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what ive seen here so far is more mistakes in historical context...
Amongst others, certainly from you.

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...of not only ancient mythology but a complete lack of cultural anthropology and a garbage truck is needed for the imagination displayed.
You haven't shown a scrap of knowledge about cultural anthropology.

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Once again the hollow bleating appeal to authority.
you know as well as I do the man states scholars are biased, he admitted this in other threads. makes my question valid to get to the bottom of said percieved biases.
Does that change the fact that you merely rely on authority?

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It has always been evident that you have nothing to say.
thats because I have to keep repeating the material they cannot address nor refute, but then put their imaginary oars back in the water and try and row around it in silence.
You don't have to rehearse it at all. What you say and the way you say it will have as much affect as reciting the Quran would here. You need to reason with people not blurt out utter stupidity such as:
its beeen analyzed for what it is, studied in depth and measured by unbiased historians to determine historicity.
Wouldn't you know it another pointless appeal to authority and, worse, you had the temerity to call them "unbiased historians". I've got a lovely plot of land at the bottom of Puget Sound I can interest you in. Going for a steal. (All day sucker smiley here.)

You really have to pick up your act and stop the assertions and appeals to authority. You have to quote sources and book names and page numbers and make them relevant otherwise you just seem to be unloading a wave of piss and wind.
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You asked this before and I told you to listen to Carrier's lecture for an explanaion. Stop asking the same question.

Why are you here?

why are you here? so far from what ive seen its to dodge relevant questions and or to refer to someone elses opinion.
I'm the moderator. I can't put you on ignore.

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But you fail to answer so many direct statements, as you have no valid replacement mythology for the christianity movement in place.
Please be specific. What question have you asked that I have not answered?

You on the other hand just avoid questions. I asked you for the name of an expert that you relied on, and suddenly there was no expert.

What do you mean by "valid replacement mythology for the christianity movement in place?" Is that written in English? Why would one need it?
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Why did you make that long patronizing assertion if you didn't have a scrap of argument to back it up? What do you think you are doing in this forum?
you were the one making a false statement not followed by scholarships in place.
I did not make a false statement. I gave you an opportunity to explain why I was wrong. You caved.

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now you choose to move goal post? answer man answer.
Answer what? Speak English.


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You think all scholarships are bogus but dont have the education level of the historians involved that have a much wider view of first century Galilee, then your microscope.
I don't think all scholarship is bogus. I have enough education to read and evaluate arguments.

If you just want to accept what someone tells you scholarship says, without even reading for yourself to be sure, please just stop posting.
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Question: In the historical Jesus model, Jesus was actually a Nazarene, but since he was "supposed" to be from Bethlehem, the gospels invented the improbable nativity stories to reconcile an embarrassing fact with an expectation.

What is the mythicist explanation? Why did the gospels invent the whole story about Jesus being from one city, but being born in another?
Why did the author of gMatthew claim it was prophesied by the PROPHETS that Jesus would live in Nazareth when NO such prophecy can be found?

Why did the author of gMatthew claim Jesus would be a Nazarene according to the PROPHETS when no such prophecy can be found??

Why did the author of gMatthew claim Jesus lived in the City of Nazareth when there was NEVER a City of Nazareth in the 1st century???

Why did the authors of the Synoptics claim Jesus came from Nazareth before he was baptized and wrote virtually NOTHING of his life in the City of Nazareth???

The answer is rather simple. The City of Nazareth was an invention just like Jesus.
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The gMatthew author may have meant this:

http://seedofabraham.net/naz.html
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Even if GMatt invented the town of Nazareth to correspond to the term Nazarene,isn't it a strange coincidence that a town with that name emerged later on? Obviously the author of Gmatt didn't know that in advance.

Isn't it more likely that the use of a town named Nazareth occurred AFTER the town emerged, I.e. in the 4th century?!

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Question: In the historical Jesus model, Jesus was actually a Nazarene, but since he was "supposed" to be from Bethlehem, the gospels invented the improbable nativity stories to reconcile an embarrassing fact with an expectation.

What is the mythicist explanation? Why did the gospels invent the whole story about Jesus being from one city, but being born in another?
Why did the author of gMatthew claim it was prophesied by the PROPHETS that Jesus would live in Nazareth when NO such prophecy can be found?

Why did the author of gMatthew claim Jesus would be a Nazarene according to the PROPHETS when no such prophecy can be found??

Why did the author of gMatthew claim Jesus lived in the City of Nazareth when there was NEVER a City of Nazareth in the 1st century???

Why did the authors of the Synoptics claim Jesus came from Nazareth before he was baptized and wrote virtually NOTHING of his life in the City of Nazareth???

The answer is rather simple. The City of Nazareth was an invention just like Jesus.
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Even if GMatt invented the town of Nazareth to correspond to the term Nazarene,isn't it a strange coincidence that a town with that name emerged later on? Obviously the author of Gmatt didn't know that in advance.

Isn't it more likely that the use of a town named Nazareth occurred AFTER the town emerged, I.e. in the 4th century?!...
Please, deal with the statements about Nazareth. In gMatthew 1and Luke 1 it is claimed Nazareth was a CITY.

The Credibility of the authors of the Jesus story is an ISSUE so we cannot PRESUME or IGNORE what they wrote.

1. There was NO CITY called Nazareth in the 1st century.

2. There is NO prophecy that Jesus would be born in a CITY Nazareth.

3. Jesus was supposedly in the CITY of Nazareth for about 30 years but NOTHING is documented of his life in Nazareth.

4. The O/T does NOT mention a CITY called Nazareth.

5. Josephus who lived in Galilee did NOT mention a CITY called Nazareth.

The CITY of Nazareth and Jesus are most likely inventions.

Jesus lived in a non-existing City and did NOTHING there based on Non-existing Prophecies.
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