Originally Posted by Littlejohn Why? ... Who prevents you to make it? ... .

Originally Posted by Littlejohn All this means something? ... .

Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

There are already several authors with Ph.D.s in New Testament studies who doubt Jesus' historicity

Originally Posted by Doug Shaver

I don't regard a Ph.D. in NT studies as a credential relevant to historiography.

Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

If you change "No modern scholar with relevant credentials doubts Jesus' historicity" to "One modern scholar with relevant credentials doubts Jesus' historicity," I don't know what you would call it, but I wouldn't say that is blowing the claim out of the water. There are already several authors with Ph.D.s in New Testament studies who doubt Jesus' historicity, so I don't think the statement would be blown out of the water much farther than before. Taken as a percentage of the total (thousands of scholars), it really isn't anything unusual as far as unlikely theories or unlikely positions. It is only the complete nutso propositions that have zero percent support (like geologists who think the Earth is flat).

Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the historicity of Jesus, not historiography.

Originally Posted by spamandham

At present, conclusions regarding the historicity of Jesus depend entirely on implausible religious texts. I would think you could not validly undertake an investigation of Jesus' historicity without first investigating the texts - their authorship, their reliability, the motives of the authors, etc.

Then, since the texts are implausible at face value, some kind of metanarrative must be developed to explain them.

Aren't both of these activities properly termed "historiography"?

Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

Historiography does not focus on the issues relating to specific pieces of evidence within the study of history, but it is about methodology and practice that can be applied generally to most or all topic within history. Evaluating the validity of the Christian texts is history, not historiography, though it would certainly incorporate the principles of historiography.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Historiography is the study of the history and methodology of the discipline of history.

The term historiography also denotes a body of historical work on a specialized topic. Scholars discuss historiography topically – such as the “historiography of Catholicism,” the “historiography of early Islam,” or the “historiography of China" – as well as specific approaches and genres, such as political history and social history. Beginning in the nineteenth century, at the ascent of academic history, a corpus of historiography literature developed.

The research interests of historians change over time, and in recent decades there has been a shift away from traditional diplomatic, economic and political history toward newer approaches, especially social and cultural studies. From 1975 to 1995, the proportion of professors of history in American universities identifying with social history rose from 31% to 41%, while the proportion of political historians fell from 40% to 30%. In the history departments of British universities in 2007, of the 5723 faculty members, 1644(29%) identified themselves with social history while political history came next with 1425 (25%).

Christendom

The growth of Christianity and its enhanced status in the Roman Empire after Constantine I led to the development of a distinct Christian historiography, influenced by both Christian theology and the nature of the Bible, encompassing new areas of study and views of history. The central role of the Bible in Christianity is reflected in the preference of Christian historians for written sources, compared to the classical historians' preference for oral sources and is also reflected in the inclusion of politically unimportant people. Christian historians also focused on development of religion and society. This can be seen in the extensive inclusion of written sources in the Ecclesiastical History written by Eusebius of Caesarea around 324 and in the subjects it covers. Christian theology considered time as linear, progressing according to divine plan. As God's plan encompassed everyone, Christian histories in this period had a universal approach. For example, Christian writers often included summaries of important historical events prior to the period covered by the work.

A page of Bede's Ecclesiastical History of the English PeopleWriting history was popular among Christian monks and clergy in the Middle Ages. They wrote about the history of Jesus Christ, that of the Church and that of their patrons, the dynastic history of the local rulers. In the Early Middle Ages historical writing often took the form of annals or chronicles recording events year by year, but this style tended to hamper the analysis of events and causes. An example of this type of writing is the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles, which were the work of several different writers: it was started during the reign of Alfred the Great in the late 9th century, but one copy was still being updated in 1154. Some writers in the period did construct a more narrative form of history. These included Gregory of Tours, and more successfully Bede who wrote both secular and ecclesiastical history and is known for writing the Ecclesiastical History of the English People.

During the Renaissance, history was written about states or nations. The study of history changed during the Enlightenment and Romanticism. Voltaire described the history of certain ages that he considered important, rather than describing events in chronological order. History became an independent discipline. It was not called philosophia historiae anymore, but merely history (historia).

Originally Posted by Littlejohn

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"..Jesus worshipers posing as scholars have LONG AGREED by FAITH that Jesus did exist even without a Phd..."

No, "by FAITH" they believe that Jesus was a God and a son of God ... This is another thing that to consider Jesus a real historical figure!..

Greetings

Littlejohn

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