aa5874

So, you agree with me to a point and disagree with your friend to a point?

Your friend "sounds to me like he has swallowed Catholic myths by their writers and in the Bible, "hook, line and sinker".

According to some catholic myths Paul lived, wrote Epistles and died before the Fall of the Jewish Temple and Marcion mutilated the Pauline Epistles and gLuke.

Even Eusebius, an apologetic source appears to contradict catholic myths. He claimed in "Church History" 3.4.8 that Paul was aware of gLuke.

I think your friend has swallowed catholic myths about Paul and Marcion hook, line and sinker.

And, by the way, tell your friend it is completely useless to say my claims are outrageous when not one single outrageous claim has been identified.

Julio

I say, your points have more strength than my friend's.
But it is a gray area, at best.
Marcionites, I think, eventually become too sensitive towards criticism on their hero.
I prefer to give it all the benefit of the doubt.
Initially, I wanted to know whether Marcion had anything to say about John's gospel.
Apparently, he never even mentioned such a text.
I will take it as final.
I wanted to make sure that Gospel was not in circulation in his days.
I wanted "solid" proof of that, and Marcion looked like a good point to start.

aa5874

So, you mean that your friend really has no points if you think its a gray area at best.

Please identify a point from your friend about Marcion that is not gray area at best?

By the way who is a Marcionite?

One who believes Jesus was a phantom or one who believes the (Tertullian) catholic version of Marcion hook, line and sinker?

Julio

About marcionites.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09645c.htm

aa5874

But isn't that link controlled by the Catholics? Your friend has accepted the catholic version of Marcion hook, line and sinker.

Julio

No.
Don't worry about him.
He is a Marcionite his style.
There are other types; a matter of private opinion, who cares.
Anyone can believe anything.
The trouble is when religion, which was to be an inoffensive pastime between meals if nobody got hurt, is elevated above friendship and destroys it.
Religion can separate best friends.

aa5874

He believes in a non-catholic Marcionite? Well, he may have just invented his own Marcion like some Catholics manufactured the activities of Marcion.

The Catholics even manufactured the activities of their OWN GOD called JESUS, the disciples and Paul.

Once you understand that the Catholics claimed Peter, a most fictitious character, was actually the very 1st BISHOP of ROME then you may begin to REALISE what they were capable of writing about Marcion.

Julio

Yes.
I have no sympathy whatsoever to the Catholic Cult!
It was a dangerous device invented sometime in that second century, to bring in the Dark Ages where Catholics still live today - especially the pope and his agents.
As for Marcion, maybe he existed, maybe not.
I suppose one could say the same about other similar heroes.
Have a sunny afternoon.