Diogenes the Cynic

Yes. They look like coral formations, framed and enhanced to vaguely resemble wheels.
The burden is upon Wyatt or his defenders to support their own assertions. Wyatt has given us nothing to evaluate. Where is this wheel?
And I told you you could take Amirault's statement or leave it. I don't think he has any reason to lie and Wyatt can certainly be proven fraudulent without taking Amirault's word for anything.
Specific sites in the Sinai are named in Genesis for where these 2 million Israelites supposedly camped. For instance, they supposedly spent 38 years at Kadesh-barnea. two million people is a city. 2 million people cannot spend four decades at one oasis and not leave massive amounts of evidence, yet there isn't a trace of human habitation at Kadesh-barnea. Not so much as a potsherd.

Moreover, the Israelites were never slaves in Egypt. That in itself never happened. The archaeology shows that the cultural group which eventually became identifiable as "Israelites" was an indigenous Canaanite tribe which never left, never came back, never conquered Canaan and derived its gods (El and Yahweh) from the Canaanite pantheon. The Hebrew language arose from Cannanite around the 11th century CE and it completely lacks any Egyptian influence (it would be impossible for an entire cultural group to spend 400 years immersed in another culture and language and never adopt a single word of that language into their own. The fact that Hebrew arose so late also puts to bed any fancy that Moses wrote the Torah, by the way. The Hebrew language did not exist yet during the alleged time of Moses).

Furthermore, there was no mass influx or migration of Isaelites into Canaan from the Sinai and no conquest of Canaan.
Baloney. The reality is that comtemporary historians and archaeologists alike have long abandoned any significant historicity for the Exodus.

Vorkosigan

Here's the pic:



It's pretty amazing how that chariot wheel remained upright, axle and all, long enough to be encrusted with coral It's also pretty amazing how that coral grew there in a spot surrounded entirely by sand. Pretty selective coral, that.

Prax, Wyatt is well known as a fraud. Why do you defend him?

RED DAVE

From Diogenes the Cynic:
We are dealing with a city 1/4 the size of New York. Now, if each Israelite crapped one pound of shit per day, that's 2 million pounds. That's 730 million pounds per year. In 38 years, that's 29,184,000,000 pounds of feces (not counting leap year days). The Empire State Building only weighs 11,366,400,000 pounds, so we're dealing with a mass of turds that weighs twice as much.

And that's a lot of shit, praxeus. Even Ron Wyatt did find that much.

RED DAVE

Steven Avery

Nope, that is a pic from p. 212. P211 has three pics, one is similar to the one on the right at http://www.bibleprobe.com/ underneath
"Hebrew Exodus - Red Sea Crossing was Real"

"The Exodus Case" book pics are far clearer, probably clear enough even for the true skeptic and cynic.

Oh, apologies for calling you Vosk on occasion, and once mixing up posters.

Shalom,
Praxeus
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/

Steven Avery

This is similar to the famous Septuagint error. So the name was given to an incorrect site later, and folks are enchanted by the back-dating. The Exodus had very little to do with the Sinai peninsula. except on the way out to Nuweiba, en passant :-)

Shalom,
Praxeas
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/

Sven

See a larger image here: http://bibleprobe.com/exodus.htm

Still does not look like a wheel to me - more like a modern steering-wheel. :huh:

Apart from this, this website is a joke. Not only do they have this laughable Exodus site (nice inscriptions - but how do they know from when they date?) - they also apparently support the Shroud of Turin and claim a link between abortions and breast cancer (they claim 37 studies about this, but give no reference at all. Since I never heard about this, I did a quick search at PubMed - the only studies which turned up explicitely stated that there's no such connenction)!

praxeus: You should really follow Diogenes the Cynic's advice and learn about the actual archeology of the region in "The Bible Unearthed" (he gave the link above).

Vorkosigan

Same pic.....

....same problem.

Prax....defending Ron Wyatt? Whatever for? Even wingnut Christians know this guy is a fraud.

Sven

No, it isn't. He actually means this one:



On this I can agree

The wingnut Christians of bibleprobe apparently don't know this. Ergo, Wyatt isn't a fraud!

Steven Avery

Thanks, Sven. Very good. That is one of three pics, and should be sufficient to satisfy the folks who try to imply that the chariot wheels in the Gulf is a fabricated idea. How did you find this from BibleProbe, do they have a link page ?
Actually the accusers of Ron on this thread have done a tawdry job, loudly falling back on accusations three times removed from real evidence, discussing the lack of evidence in the Sinai Peninsula, which fits Ron's ideas perfectly, initially gafawing about the clearly true chariot wheels, using the weakest book review I've ever seen, one that basically ignores evidences and theories. Combining all this with loud accusation after accusation of "fraud" and "liar", when so far the only people corn-fused and falsely speaking have been Ron's opponents on this thread.

Something of a pattern. What are you folks so scared of ? An honest dialog about some of the claims might do you some good, and an acknowledgment that Ron found and publicized some very interesting material (even if you personally don't accept the linkages to the Biblical account) would be the way of integrity.

Shalom,
Praxeas
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/

RED DAVE

From praxeus:
1) What is the Septuagint error?

2) Which site was given an incorrect name? Are you saying thagt the sight now known as Kadesh-barnea is not the correct site? What are your sources? And, if so, where are the latrines on the new site?

3) "The Exodus had very little to do with the Sinai peninsula. except on the way out to Nuweiba, en passant" What is your justification for this statement? What are your sources?

If you're going to abandon Biblical literalism and substitute difference sites, names, dates, etc., your responsibility then is to give credible alternatives, as archaeologists, modern biblical historians, etc., are doing. All you are doing is throwing aout a series of unsubstantiated statements.

From praxeus:
This could be a picture of a hubcap in someone's bathtub. Likewise, the chariot could be a birdbath encrusted with cement. What you are doing is posting unsubstantiated pictures, from a man with a known history of fraud, and using them to "prove" events that never took place. Maybe you need to watch some episodes of "Law and Order: CSI."

RED DAVE