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Old 10-26-2009, 08:30 PM   #141
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Surely the idea that there were legal debates in the pre-Rabbinic period is an anachronism.
4Q MMT from Qumran seems to represent one side of a dispute about Halakah.

More generally there were certainly differing legal/halakhic traditions held by different Jewish groups and presumably there were arguments/discussions about which tradition was correct.

The disputes between the Houses (of Hillel and Shammai) presumably originated in the pre-70 CE period although the surviving accounts of these debates are largely unhistorical.

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Sorry to interrupt. Just thought I would let you know that I have bowed to pressure and now have a (new) PayPal Account (EarlDoherty / Age of Reason Publications). I will accept PayPal from this point on, or until they lose my account again.

Please also note that I have found that AirMail overseas is horrendously expensive. Any orders from outside Canada and United States must go surface mail.

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Good news about adding Paypal, Earl. :thumbs: I've just sent you an order for your book. Hopefully I'll get it by Christmas, since I believe it can take up to eight weeks to get to Oz via surface mail. Looking forward to it!
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Surface mail from the US to the UK can take three months. Quite what they do with it, to make it so slow, I know not.

The best thing to do is have two links, one with surface mail postage, one with air mail, and let the buyer decide.
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Surface mail from the US to the UK can take three months. Quite what they do with it, to make it so slow, I know not.

The best thing to do is have two links, one with surface mail postage, one with air mail, and let the buyer decide.
Earl has said that he will not be charging for mailing, as part of an introductory offer:
http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/newadvert.htm
But as an introductory offer, until the end of 2009, all direct mail orders received will not be subject to mailing charges. Whether I will ship by air or surface will be at my discretion, depending on destination and cost involved. Even by surface, shipment to the U.S. generally takes no longer than 3 weeks. Canadian parcels tend to go by air in most cases. Surface to offshore, such as Europe, should take no more than 5-6 weeks.
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I wasn't sure that I understood this question. Which scribes are we discussing? ...

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Refer to my post on page 5 of this thread.

All this talk about the writings of antiquity yet no one seems to notice how many times Mark puts scribes on the scene. "He" is attesting to scribes as direct witnesses to many key events. THESE are the scribes I am discussing.
Shakespeare puts bell towers in Caesar's Rome. The presence of scribes and legal debates in Mark's writings tell us more about Mark's own environment than his subject's.
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Refer to my post on page 5 of this thread.

All this talk about the writings of antiquity yet no one seems to notice how many times Mark puts scribes on the scene. "He" is attesting to scribes as direct witnesses to many key events. THESE are the scribes I am discussing.
Shakespeare puts bell towers in Caesar's Rome. The presence of scribes and legal debates in Mark's writings tell us more about Mark's own environment than his subject's.
There's some progress.
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Sorry to interrupt. Just thought I would let you know that I have bowed to pressure and now have a (new) PayPal Account (EarlDoherty / Age of Reason Publications). I will accept PayPal from this point on, or until they lose my account again.

Please also note that I have found that AirMail overseas is horrendously expensive. Any orders from outside Canada and United States must go surface mail.

Thanks. Carry on.

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I'm one of the ones who asked, so I definitely thank you. I just sent my order in. Looking forward to reading what you have (again). Now I just need to see what to do with my older edition. Hmmm.....:constern01: Is thee anyone I know who could use this?
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Earl, while we all appreciate the feel and appearance of hard-copy books, postage kills overseas sales. I faced buyer resistance because of the total cost and time delay in receipt till I offered E-books. Then, sales took off. Think about it.
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Remember the context of all this (which is when I tend to remind people of it). Someone is making an argument that silence in what has survived is proof of non-existence.

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And 'someone' has missed the point once yet again. The argument from silence is not "proof" of anything, but it is evidence. Absence of evidence is indeed evidence of absence.

And because it is evidence of absence, unless there exists contrary evidence to the positive, the burden of proof is on those 'someones' who propose the existence of a character despite the absence of evidence. And despite evidence to the contrary. Until some evidence emerges you might as well argue that harry Potter has a historical core since there are so many copies of his books around, and so many Rowling scholars who argue for his historicity.

So feel free to bluster away about unnamed historians and lost quatrains which you presume will buttress your case rather than erode it, but if you can not discriminate between proof and evidence at this late juncture perhaps you should concede the point and move on.
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