stephan huller

Oh, okay. There is some disagreement among Jews whether the messiah's mission would be universal or not. Interestingly the Samaritans see the Ta'eb as being the one like Moses but deny that Moses was a king. Hence the Ta'eb was not a royal figure. The Ta'eb wasn't a high priest either. The closest we get to solving this ambiguity is the person of Marqe (= Moses) who is not a high priest indeed no one knows who or what the fuck he was. He's just 'Mark' the guy that re-made our religion after Moses.

To understand the paradox of Samaritanism it is summed up in the understanding - yes, we are the original tradition, the keepers/guardians of the original interpretation of Moses, we go all the way back to Moses BUT (and here is the big but) somehow our whole tradition was reshaped by this other guy Mark who lived after the Common Era. Go figure. They tell you this with a straight face too.

Now the truth is I believe them. This is usually the original interpretation of anything from the Pentateuch. Moses's wife wasn't 'black' but 'beautiful' (correct reading). But who's this Mark guy?

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Note, dear reader, that 'christians' don't know what a messiah is, yet spin knows that they have apostolic succession.

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That's not true, as any honest Jew will tell you.

spin

Stop trolling.

mountainman

And I thought a 4th century Christian origins theory was late LOL

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You did?

"A week is a long time in politics."

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Pope spin must be obeyed.

Sheshbazzar

Not getting ridiculous. It was ridiculous from the beginning.
The religious authorities and priests of the Jews, if they could now speak would most likely be saying; 'WTF??? No one ever met this guy, no one knows of this guy, or where to find him.
And you say that he despises Jewish people, and hates The Laws, Statutes, and Ordinaces which our Elohim commanded us to keep and to obey FOREVER.
How in the H-E double hockeysticks can such a lunatic be our messiah?




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Forever?

'"The time is coming," declares the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt. Because they broke my covenant, even though I was a husband to them," declares the Lord.

"This is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the Lord. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbour, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them, to the greatest," declares the Lord. "Because I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."' Jer 31:31-34

No Robots

It is absolutely true that he wasn't even trying to be the Messiah, the national savior. As Constantin Brunner states:

But what had Jesus of Nazareth to do with such a Messiah? What concern had he with the yoke of Roman rule, with patriotism, the national passion and the political Messianic expectations of the Jewish people? It all seems unworthy of mention to him, and when questioned about it, he dismissed it with a jest: Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s (Mk. 12:17); nor does he even think of explicitly re-interpreting their inherited conceptions. Lofty and exalted above the worldly conditions around him, he is the mystical Christ and Son of God, acquainted with a freedom different from political and social freedom. Far below him lie the world’s struggles, pains, cares, possessions, labour and needs, and all the religious squabbles.—Our Christ, p. 63.

His will was focussed wholly in the realm of spirit.