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בבקשה

Duvduv

That should be "todah rabbah".......

Sheshbazzar

Yes, Traditionally.
Not being traditional, or a traditionalist, I departed from that tradition to verbalize differently.
Language and idiom is flexible. There are many ways to skin a verbal cat.

aa5874

Again, I have PRESENTED the evidence for my argument that there was NO Jesus story in the 1st century and before c 70 CE.
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

Again, I have PRESENTED the evidence for Jesus stories BEFORE the 4th century.
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

Please, the writings attributed to Justin Martyr when EXAMINED are in agreement with the DATED Texts.

Let me make myself EXTREMELY clear so that you understand.

Ihave read the Pauline writings and Acts of the Apostles and they are NOT, NOT, NOT COMPATIBLE with the dated Texts.

I have read the writings attributed to Justin and I have READ the List of DATED NT manuscripts.

1. Justin Martyr mentioned stories about Jesus WITHOUT acknowledging the Pauline writings and Acts of the Apostles.

This is compatible with the DATED NT manuscripts based on the RANGE of years between the 2nd-3rd century for Papyri 1, 4, 5, 9, 12,15, 22, 23, 27, 29, 30, 35, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 52, 53, 64, 65, 66, 69, 70, 75, 77, 80, 87, 90, 91, 95, 98, 101, 103, 106, 107, 108, 111, 113 and 114.

I NO longer accept Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings as history.

Sheshbazzar

Again, you have abysmally failed to prove that there was NO Jesus story in the 1st century or before c.70 CE.

You write about things that you think took place or were written in the 2nd century CE.-
That does NOT evidence what was or was not believed regarding any 'Jesus Christ' figure in the 1st century.
Justin, if he is a legitimate 2nd century witness, reports on a faith that he accepts had existed since the 1st century, and that he had learned of from a predecessor or predecessors. That, if it is fact, in no way establishes that the figure of, and stories about a 'Jesus Christ' figure did not exist before Justin's writings, or in the 1st century.
On a lack of evidence You are jumping to an illogical, unwarranted, and unsupportable conclusion.

Big eF'ing deal. STORIES about a 'Jesus Christ' figure in the 1st century (or 2nd) DO NOT require any Pauline writings or Acts of the Apostles.

MrMacSon

The repeated use of "if" undermines your argument. It would be appropriate for you to provide evidence of a 1st C Christ and 1st C Christianity.

aa5874

Again, I cannot and do NOT use imagination as evidence. I do NOT imagine nor do I EXPECT any 1st century evidence for a Jesus story.

My argument is based DIRECTLY on DATED RECOVERED DATA.

When 1st century DATA is recovered then I REVIEW my position.

I have NO intention to make arguments from Imagination like YOU and Duvduv.

My Methodology is EXTREMELY sound and Solid and cannot be contradicted by Imagination and Speculation.

I have LOCATED a List of DATED Sources that are PRECISELY what I EXPECTED.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

NOTHING of Jesus and Paul from the 1st century and Before c 70 CE--I found a GOLD MINE.

I will use Sources that are IN AGREEMENT with the Recovered Dated Texts--NOT Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline letters.

Sheshbazzar

A lot of scholars would wish to be able to provide such evidence, or even evidence proving otherwise. I do do not claim to be able to pull such a piece of evidence out of my hat to please either the believers or the unbelievers. Much less will I accept what aa is presently pulling out of his nether orifice.

When legitimate and irrefutable archaeological evidence is finally produced, then and only then can any valid verdict regarding the existence of a 'Jesus Christ' figure or a nascent 1st century Christian form of religion be finally judged and laid to rest.
The existence of a 1st century CE 'Jesus Christ' cult will remain an open question until such time as further evidence is produced.
aa's claims regarding NO 1st century 'Jesus Christ' figure, or stories, are as yet totally unsubstantiated.

Sheshbazzar

Why not cut the crap? The existence or non-existence of a 1st century CE 'Jesus Christ' figure or early stories about such a figure, have absolutely nothing to do with Acts of the Apostles or the Pauline letters.

aa5874

What??? Your view is illogical. Have you read what is claimed in Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline letters about the character called Jesus???

What must we use your IMAGINATION??

It is extremely illogical and unreasonable that written statements about a character whose existence is questioned have nothing to do with the existence of Jesus.