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Grumpy · 10-27-2003, 02:46 PM

I wonder if any Dutch readers could comment on something I saw in an article at the Chalcedon Foundation. That's the ultra-conservative Christian group that, lately, has opposed the elevation of Gene Robinson as Episcopal bishop of New Hampshire. Because he's gay, see.

The point of the article (I guess) is that having a gay bishop will lead down the slippery slope until America is like the Netherlands.

Quote:

The liberal church in Holland � and other places as well � has suffered greatly by starting down the path of "religious tolerance."

My question: Has the church in Holland "suffered greatly"? What would that even look like? Are revenues declining? Church buildings crumbling? Organ pipes dusty?

Or is the only problem, as the first paragraph indicates, that the church is baptizing lesbians' babies?

Starboy · 10-27-2003, 04:44 PM

Yikes! Religious tolerance is the downfall of us all! I wonder if that is what the fundies in the White House think? Also, how do they know that the babies are lesbians? Those Christians sure are tricky.

Starboy

Yangja Isuko · 10-27-2003, 11:24 PM

well. as a dutch person i hardly notice the existence of churches/christianity. many churches have been converted into non-religious community centers, tourist attractions, some even into clubs/disco's, many have been abandonded for decades.
in my own city the local church was located next to a sex shop for years, which was a source of great amusement to me.

the remainder of the 'church' here finds itself not taken very seriously and increasingly tries to 'liberalize' in order to attract new people to the church, amusingly they always seem to be about 3 decades behind the rest of the country.

lunachick · 10-28-2003, 12:51 AM

I'm pretty sure that I've read that the Chalecedon Institute is pretty tied up with Diebold and election fraud....ahh, yes, here's a snippet...

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Bob is now president of Diebold-Global, while brother Todd is a vice president at ES&S. Business Records Corp. which was merged with AIS to become ES&S, was partially owned by Cronus, a company that seems to have a lot of connections to the infamous Hunt brothers from Texas, as well as other individuals and entities, including Rothschild, Inc.. Right wing Republicans Howard Ahmanson (who financed AIS) and Nelson Bunker Hunt have both heavily contributed to The Chalcedon Institute, an organization that mandates Christian "dominion" over the world.

Source

Personally, I must question who it really is that is on the path to immorality and dancing with the devil! Assholes.

DoubleDutchy · 10-28-2003, 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by Yangja Isuko
, amusingly they always seem to be about 3 decades behind the rest of the country.

I left 25 years ago, but I keep in touch. Basicly you're right, I guess, but I am not so sure how bad this actually is.

A'ie de vooroetgang tegenholdt, mien jong, dan goat 's noch hard zat genog.

I must be said, however, that even 25 years ago the average Dutch Christian would have considered Pastor Ron Gleason's insights to be a part of the fossile record.

Cutter · 10-28-2003, 01:40 AM

The Lexx!

DoubleDutchy · 10-28-2003, 01:45 AM

Who is that supposed to be ?

beyelzu · 10-28-2003, 04:15 AM

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Originally posted by DoubleDutchy
Who is that supposed to be ?

the most powerful ship in the two universes,

duh

Dutch Agnostic · 10-29-2003, 10:39 AM

Church? What church?

Immigrants are the most religious people in the Netherlands AFAIK. There's a few fundy-denomenations, but they're very marginal.

10-29-2003, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by DoubleDutchy
A'ie de vooroetgang tegenholdt, mien jong, dan goat 's noch hard zat genog.

jeh krek, da hedde goed gezait! (op z'n Tilburgs).

Holland's OK. I't is well know that most people in all 193 countries know exactly where to find it.

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Yangja Isuko Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: amsterdam Posts: 327	well. as a dutch person i hardly notice the existence of churches/christianity. many churches have been converted into non-religious community centers, tourist attractions, some even into clubs/disco's, many have been abandonded for decades. in my own city the local church was located next to a sex shop for years, which was a source of great amusement to me. the remainder of the 'church' here finds itself not taken very seriously and increasingly tries to 'liberalize' in order to attract new people to the church, amusingly they always seem to be about 3 decades behind the rest of the country.

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DoubleDutchy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 889	Who is that supposed to be ?

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Dutch Agnostic Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 11	Church? What church? Immigrants are the most religious people in the Netherlands AFAIK. There's a few fundy-denomenations, but they're very marginal.

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