Bonniedundee

I don't like the world imagined by many American style libertarians ie one still full of large wealth disparities, wage slavery and the general productive set up of the current statist economy, but most of the suggestions they make, particularly anarcho-capitalists in fact encourage liberty and would move us to a more distributionist or even a "socialist"(using this in the broad sense of the workers owning the means of production.) world.

Too many modern leftists have the wrong idea about the state, they need to read their Kropotkin, Goldman, Proudhon, Mattick or even their Marx. In fact Marx's account of primitive accumulation would be very useful to show how the state and capitalism have always been bedfellows, the state created capitalism.

Using capitalism just to refer to the economy we live under and have since the breakdown of feudalism. I don't mean the free markets imagined by many American style libertarians, these have historically had little to do with real life capitalism.

99Percent

Libertarians would not oppose the jurisdiction of that new political system as long as people in it are not forced into it in any way.

Harry Bosch

Correct. That is one of the big differences between capitalism and socialism. A capitalist society can tolerate a socialist element. Of course, the US and Europe are examples of mixed capitalist and socialist countries. Secondly, you could have a pure socialist community within a capitalist country. The US has had several of these. Of course, these communities never last very long because they cannot attract and retain good workers.

However, a pure socialist country can't tolerate a capitalist community. All the high achievers would flee to the capitalist sector! The workers would flee as well as soon as they realize that they could get paid more in the capitalist plants than the socialist ones.

Bonniedundee

You Leninist not socialist.

unrealist42

Oh. OK.

I got another question.

If everything else the government does is privatized, why can't the courts be?

I think that would be the first thing to be privatized since most of the disputes would be over property rights which should be pretty clear cut in Libertopia. It should not be hard to find a private judge amenable to both sides in the dispute. Of course, costs for a jury trial would skyrocket as jurors would not serve unless they were fully compensated for their oppotunity loss.

But that is a small matter.

In fact I think a vast majority of disputed would be solved through private mediation when a hugely expensive court battle looms with the loser liable for all costs.

Harry Bosch

What does that mean? I'm saying that the socialist worker would get paid less than the wage slave working for the capitalist pig. Most people choose a higher paycheck rather than working for a collective and achieving freedom (freedom as defined by socialists).

unrealist42

I don't know about that. There are quite a few employer owned companies in the US and Europe, socialist collectives if you will.

99Percent

Thats the idea of anarcho capitalism - even courts are private. Courts would compete with other courts, those who have demostrated the best implementation of justice would succeed and attract more "customers" and a wider jurisdiction. But we are light years away from such an enlightened society.

Gamera

So they would require that the nation follow their rules even if the majority of the people there want other rules.

And what's the basis of this right of there's to impose their authority on others?

Gamera

You seem to be saying that capitalists tolerate other rules only if they don't apply and only if the capitalists can impose their rules on the majority.

Where did you get this incredible authority to impose your rules on others again? Go into detail.