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But what if it is just a different "kind" of dog?

Magdlyn

I know a certain young man who was 14 and adult sized when play-wrestling with his beagle. Not a large dog, just medium. While playing she snapped near his face, her fang got caught on his nose, and it was sliced off.

She wasn't even trying.

I must say I have heard some weird Xtian apologia, but the idea a dog can't pierce a hand takes the cake.

Now I do know a nose is only cartiledge, but I still shake my head.

dado

OT: hey maggie! long time no read. what's up at the Old Place?

Magdlyn

dado, I already pmed ya, you dork (she said affectionately)!

Vinnie

A) Supernatural prophecy is bogus. Only [slightly inflammatory insult deleted]s buy into it.
B) That verse has nothing to do with Jesus who didn't exist at the time but has a perfectly valid meaning, explanation and purpose in that specific space-time moment.
C) There is no reason to even think of Jesus in light of the historical critical method. Later backreading Christian evangelists found this fitting AFTER their rabble-rousing Messiah was crucified. Its a Psalm of lamentation which is how the earliest forms of passion prophecy//narrative were cast after Jesus' death. Psalm 22 was a goldmine for passion prophecy.
D)If Crucifixion was unknown at the time then that cannot refer to crucifixion (see point A). This has nothing to do with Jesus or future prophecy.
E. Pierces is found in Some Hebrew manuscripts, Septuagint and Syriac; most Hebrew manuscripts have like the lion.
F. Interpretation of this passage is then not easy. As the New Jerome Biblical Commentary writes on 22:17:

Vinnie

Roller

I'm at loss here. How can you crucify someone without breaking any bones?

Ebonmuse

Crucifixion doesn't have to involve breaking any bones. The nails normally went in between the wrist and foot bones, not through them, and breaking the legs was something the Romans would do only when they wanted to get it over with (admittedly, it was probably standard practice). Hanging on the cross would probably dislocate your shoulders, though.

Roller

Thanks. (love your webpage)
It seems quite amazing to me that they were ablo to get nails through this without breaking any bones.

Magdlyn

Question for the OP. What kind of "teacher" is making these assertions?

Ebonmuse

You're most welcome.

Actually, I may have spoken too soon. According to http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_arcs.htm, which describes the discovery of the skeleton of a crucified man from first-century Judaea, the nail is said to have "pierced the victim's right heel bone." It does also point out that the arms were tied rather than nailed to the cross, which seems to have been a common practice.