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Old 03-04-2012, 08:35 AM   #11
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אני־אמרתי אלהים אתם ובני עליון כלכם׃

! אלהים אתם !

! ובנים אתם !






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The Bible (both Testaments) is written in all caps. The English capitalization choices do not reflect any kind of nuance within the original texts.
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The Bible (both Testaments) is written in all caps. The English capitalization choices do not reflect any kind of nuance within the original texts.
So David had an 'honorific' that applied to Adam. And to Cain, etc.
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Yes, and could actually also be applied just to humanity in general. Jesus would have been using it in the Messianic sense, but there was really no Jewish sense in which it would indicated literal divine descendancy, nor would it have been taken that way by other Jews. The notion of a literally god sired human would have been not just un-Jewish, but offensively so.
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So it's nonsense to say that David and Solomon had an honorific, if Cain had it, also. Capitalisation in English is not there by accident.

So what does the psalm mean?
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So David had an 'honorific' that applied to Adam. And to Cain, etc.
Let's examine the original text:

Psalms 2:7 (LXX, quite possibly inauthentic, perhaps this is not an accurate translation of the original Hebrew: YHWH, יהוה

not "kurios", or its Hebrew equivalent, adonai)

με υἱός μου εἶ σύ

Mark 3:11
υἱὸς τοῦ θεοῦ

In other words, the "etc", above, includes JC

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Yes, and could actually also be applied just to humanity in general. Jesus would have been using it in the Messianic sense, but there was really no Jewish sense in which it would indicated literal divine descendancy, nor would it have been taken that way by other Jews. The notion of a literally god sired human would have been not just un-Jewish, but offensively so.
Yes but begotten does not mean sired as that is done only once in God and not by God.
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Capitalisation in English is not there by accident.
The Latin text may offer a clue...

Psalms 2: 7
Dominus dixit ad me filius meus es tu ego hodie genui te

filius is not capitalized.

Mark 3:12
tu es Filius Dei et vehementer comminabatur eis ne manifestarent illum

Filius is capitalized....

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It had both a titular and (less often) a more generic application.

English capitalization in translations means nothing. There are no lower case letter in the original texts.

Assuming you're referring to the Psalm above, it's saying that Kings of Israel are "SONS OF GOD."
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It had both a titular and (less often) a more generic application.
Who used this as a title?

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Assuming you're referring to the Psalm above, it's saying that Kings of Israel are "SONS OF GOD."
'I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.'

Is it?
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