IamJoseph

'GO FORTH' and 'MULTIPLY' has no other connotation than to go beyond the earth; this is the next step to subdueing this earth. Yesterday's sci-fi is today's old hat reality. There is no choice factors to conquering new worlds - NONE.

We need a Kennedy style Pres who will abandon/reduce the premise of population control and planet cleansing, and devote instead big resources in a challenge to attain the first 5-star settlement on the moon in so many years. This is a screaming Plan B - manifestly encumbent if there are indicators this planet is creaking at the seams by a humanity appearing only very recently in a 5 B year earth. We have to stop blaming humans for being humans and doing what humans do - we have no choice factors here! How long must one keep repairing the same car - instead of buying a new one - a car is not made to last forever either?

IamJoseph

I've read that book - it even has a math chart showing time had a definite beginning.

If time is finite, the universe containing it, cannot be infinite. If anything is finite in the universe, the whole is finite. Try adding $5 to an infinite amount of $.

I gave you the only means of proving or disproving an ancient writings. Show us the name Eve appearing elsewhere before Genesis - not an unreasonable ask? Name your criteria which is acceptable?


Not so. Coveting involves more than secret thoughts - it is akin to stalking, planning, devising and an uncontrolled pursuit and goal, which mostly leads to stealing. One cannot cease stealing when one does not stem an obsession emerging first.

IamJoseph

What about particles and heat - would these also be required? Does it mean they existed pre-uni too?

How would you describe 'species' to an ancient desert people - and also make it undertsandable to all generations? Is the term 'kind' fitting the context of 'species' in genesis - or not? Is it talking about lollypops or different groupings of life forms, describing each by their most blatant traits, and time elevated, in a protocol listing, like Vegetation, water borne, air borne fowl, mammals, land based, humans? Please show us how this is simple minded and one of many desert cult thinking - name just one example elsewhere?


Yes. Time related Adaptation as per ToE; the non-time related host related seed factor as per Genesis.



While there is commonality in all life, the critical trait of differences is what Genesis points to. Are humans possessing a triat which is different from all life forms - or not? Genesis wins here!

The biological data does not answer the variance breakaway of human traits of all other life forms: speech is not dependent on skeletal or dna frames, nor the time factor, nor adaptation. speech is a recent [not millions of years!]mysterious, transcendent and inexplicable phenomenon on this planet, in contradiction of the biological thread.


The evidence says that only applies if we do NOT follow Genesis advocation. The dif proves the dif.

Julio

Well, being for a moment the devil’s advocate, I say, no, we will not be able to replenish OTHER cosmic dwellings in the nearby starts, BILLIONS of kilometers away. Forget it! We will not be able to keep food in spacecrafts for that long, nor could we grow it that way!
Sci-fi of the highest quality, to imagine that we’ll do it.
What’s going to happen for sure is our complete annihilation of our species. We are doomed, for sure. No way to escape it! Imponderables by the ton to overcome. We're not that clever...

IamJoseph

This goes against the grain of adaptation, which makes me wonder if this phenomenon is an internal or external provision. However there is no doubt the universe was created in wisdom, or to put it more secularly, everywhere we look we see supre engineerings at work to keep the wheels turning - nothing in the universe operates without a complicated infrastructure.

If you bought a new car and the seats broke 1 day after sitting on it - it would be seen as poor workmanship. The same applies for a planet inhabited by life. I see humanity existing now because of provisions made for us - and this will sustain the future - ancient humanity never had a clue of science - but elevated nontheless. A nerd can discover something before our noses - and space-time distances will be conquered, as well as different atmospheres, gravities and temps.

The point is, we have no choice but to embrace the future of new worlds. The issue of pollution and over population will be mute factors. I think all obstacles will be overcome when a voluntary decision is made - or enforced upon humanity. I think this is what is being told us by the population and climate prompters. Genesis appears to know what it says.

Julio

I see your point. Subjective, but valid; rhetorical, too, with many imponderables, naturally.
Yet, it seems to me that we’ll not be able to adapt that much to leave our planet for good. It would be an impossible miracle, I guess. Not as a human species. Therefore, Genesis is right in the sense that we are here condemned to stay until [self] exterminated.

Lógos Sokratikós

Correction - I don't believe in any half-baked bullshit uttered by mad prophets and enshrined in old scriptures passed on by gullible people to gullible people.

Amaleq13

Read it again and this time pay attention. Ask yourself why Hawking calls it "No Boundary".

The time we perceive is finite. Did you skip all the references to "imaginary time"? Hard to see how since that is fundamental to the theory.

What? Unsupported assertion? Try again.

It is quite obviously an "unreasonable ask". You have one source for the names and you assume it is accurate.

Independent support.

If it is no different from stealing then it can still be ignored as redundant but coveting is a thought crime whether you understand it as such or not.

You are truly clueless, amigo, and apparently willfully so. I'm not going to waste anymore time pretending otherwise. :wave:

Wooster

This is exactly why is asked you to educate yourself. What you are writing here, is basically based upon lack of knowledge and understanding of the scientific areas involved.

When you base your understanding of the topic upon explanations given by other people who also have no understanding of the topic, it becomes painful to read.

Please, for the benefit of us all, use the Internet to educate yourself on the topic from reliable scientific resources available on the net. When you do and have question, ask and I'm sure many people here will help you with answers. I'll certainly do my best when I can answer, but without the frame work in place to understand the issue, it's impossible. So, please, educate yourself.

IamJoseph

I see the reverse applying. Genesis shows the way out for humanity's survival. Imagine humans on another planet, wearing Madona-like mics which spits out the correct oxygen mix, boots which control gravity and body temp, and environemantal friendly movements and transporation, and mass harvesting which embraces orgs like Madonalds and KFC. Genesis points to this future - the alternative is death by suffocation on planet earth - thanks to short sighted Greenies.