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Old 08-27-2007, 02:20 PM   #11
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Humans and animals having sex would be ethical as it might create new species which would be a good thing.

Right ?

Also animals do not tend to be able to breed beyond their immediately-related species.
If your claim is that the ability to produce new species is what makes sex ethical, then neither sex with humans nor with other species would be ethical, as neither activity will result in new species. No two humans have ever had sex which resulted in an entirely new species. That's not how evolution works.
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Humans and animals having sex would be ethical as it might create new species which would be a good thing.

Right ?

Also animals do not tend to be able to breed beyond their immediately-related species.
1) Humans are animals.

2) Humans having sex with another animal is very unlikely to produce any offspring.

3) If offspring were produced, then it would not be a new species.

4) Producing a new species is not necessarily a good thing.

5) In animals, species is generally defined by an inability to produce viable offspring with other such groups.

I really find it hard to imagine how you could be more clueless.

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And humans are not animals how, exactly?
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:25 PM   #14
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prove an animal can give consent, and then we'll talk.
What on Earth has that got to do with the comment you just replied to? you say a lot of stuff and I think you try to sound intelligent and profound, but a lot of what you say is either totally off-topic, totally misses the point, or it totally nonsensical.
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:26 PM   #15
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Yes we can. I believe the Nazis tried various interbreeding experiments on human females.
Clearly you believe a lot of strange things.

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Old 08-27-2007, 02:31 PM   #16
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Humans and animals having sex would be ethical as it might create new species which would be a good thing.

Right ?

Also animals do not tend to be able to breed beyond their immediately-related species.
If your claim is that the ability to produce new species is what makes sex ethical, then neither sex with humans nor with other species would be ethical, as neither activity will result in new species. No two humans have ever had sex which resulted in an entirely new species. That's not how evolution works.
No, you miss the point again. The claim wasn't that the ability to create new species is what makes sex ethical. The claim was that sex between animals and humans would be ethical if it produced a new species, because, that would be an advantageous thing. That not being the entire basis to sex being ethical, but merely why it would be ethical in THAT circumstance.
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The claim was that sex between animals and humans would be ethical if it produced a new species, because (according to the claimant), that would be an advantageous thing.
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What claimant? Who makes this absurd claim?

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No, you miss the point again. The claim wasn't that the ability to create new species is what makes sex ethical. The claim was that sex between animals and humans would be ethical if it produced a new species, because, that would be an advantageous thing. That not being the entire basis to sex being ethical, but merely why it would be ethical in THAT circumstance.
a) inter-species sex very rarely produce offsprings, and even if it did, it wouldn't be a new species. The Nazi aren't exactly a good reference for that.
b) again, why would it be "an advantageous thing"?
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Why must we keep talking about sex with animals?!!?
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