Sauron

It does? Not that I've seen. Your response is circular in the extreme. What in particular about their nature and behavior makes them plants?

Ah. So you have a private definition. How quaint.

Thanks for the clarification.

Not in this case.

The line is only blurring because somewhere along the line you decided that you could randomly reclassify animals based upon your gut feelings.

deadman_932

Oi, the papers you posted links to deal with differing subjects and groups, Nimi. Memory recall isn't the sole issue in cognitive losses. Regardless of the source of mental impairment, all I said was people tend to lose abilities with age. This is not refuted by your citations, which notes that MOST people tend to get impairing effects as they grow old. Old->Alzheimer's->impairment and that degeneration can be MITIGATED, but not returned to previously measured levels....specifically, your final citation notes: ...which supports precisely what I said. Another citation of yours says specifically The idea that undiseased age cohorts are not used in studies is simply false on the face of it, since you're forgetting the obvious use of control groups and you haven't even touched on the literature in psych studies.

Sauron

Apparently not, since octopii manage to learn some incredible problem-solving and 3-D skills in far less than their 2 year lifespan.

Keep guessing, poptart.

Elijah

I'm not impressed with octopuses. But feel free to marvel at their abilities.

Sauron

But there's no evidence that we ever lived prolonged lifetimes, and without that evidence your hypothesis is dead on arrival.

Did you get it that time, bong boy?

You seem to think we are missing the point of your argument. We are not. Everyone understands your point. It's just that your point is bullshit.

Sauron

I didn't ask if you were impressed.
The reality is that they refute your hypothesis, whether they impress you or not.

Sauron

1. Evolution isn't random.
2. There are nevertheless random things in life.

deadman_932

I'd be impressed with some evidence that actually supports your claims, since you've failed so far. Got any?

deadman_932

By the way, Nimi, feel free to leave out any studies involving known disease and you'll still find that the the loss of cognitive abilities holds true. Look into things like cell degeneration, synapse degeneration, myelin loss, apoptosis, inability to regenerate neurons and "support" cells ,etc.

Elijah

Edited the insults out.


Plenty of people believe that long life's can be had in the future through science there is no reason to believe that it couldn't have happened in the past by nature.

Now this isn't evidence it's an explanation for the separation between us and the animals. An explanation that is possible. The only evidence we have is an oral history and that maximum lifespans of animals can very greatly with environmental changes like low calorie restriction. The only real evidence anyone is going to be able to muster is actually getting past the aging problems.