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Toto · 01-05-2011, 06:28 PM

The product of the Jesus Project, before it fell apart

Sources of the Jesus Tradition: Separating History from Myth (or via: amazon.co.uk)

hjalti · 01-05-2011, 09:59 PM

No table of contents?

Toto · 01-05-2011, 10:33 PM

There is a list of the contents on this student blog - not all of the papers at the first Jesus Project were included, and some not presented were added.

Quote:

1. R. Joseph Hoffmann, "Preface: Of Rocks, Hard Places, and Jesus Fatigue"
2. Dennis R. MacDonald, "An Alternative Q and the Quest of the Earthly Jesus"
3. R. Joseph Hoffmann, "Jesus and the Brothers: The Theology of the Imperfect Union"
4. Justin Meggitt, "Popular Mythology in the Early Empire and the Multiplicity of Jesus Traditions"
5. Richard C. Carrier, "Baye's Theorem for Beginners: Formal Logic and Its Relevance to Historical Method"
6. Robert M. Price, "The Abhorrent Void: The Rapid Attribution of Fictive Sayings and Stories to a Mythic Jesus"
7. Bruce Chilton, "Jesus' Dispute in the Temple and the Origin of the Eucharist"
8. David Trobisch, "The Authorized Version of His Birth and Death"
9. Frank R. Zindler, "Prolegomenon to a Science of Christian Origins"
10. Robert Eisenman with Noelle Magana, "'Every Plant Which My Heavenly Father Has Not Planted Shall Be Uprooted'"
11. R. Joseph Hoffmann, "On Not Finding the Historical Jesus"
12. Ronald A. Lindsay, "Assessing the Evidence: Historical and Legal Perspectives"
13. Gerd Lüdemann, "Paul as a Witness to the Historical Jesus"
14. J. Harold Ellens, "Jesus' Apocalyptic Vision and the Psychodynamics of Delusion"
15. R. Joseph Hoffmann, "Epilogue: The Canonical-Historical Jesus"

Left out were R. Joseph Hoffmann's "Heretics and the Role of the Canon in Delimiting the Historical Jesus," Bruce Chilton's "Aramaic Jesus Traditions: Evidence and Reconstruction," James Tabor's "Leaving the Bones Behind: A Resurrected Jesus Tradition with an Intact Tomb," Hector Avalos's "Jesus and the 'End' of Biblical Studies," and A. J. Droge's "Jesus and Ned Lud[d]: What's in a Name?" Also left out were transcriptions of the panel discussion(s).

Toto · 01-05-2011, 10:46 PM

Another blog listing the contents notes that Chiltons paper may be here: https://dialoguejournal.com/wp-conte..._V29N04_29.pdf

Toto · 05-30-2011, 04:56 PM

Richard Carrier's review

yikes.

jgoodguy · 05-30-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

The product of the Jesus Project, before it fell apart

Sources of the Jesus Tradition: Separating History from Myth (or via: amazon.co.uk)

Some papers can be found here.

Hoffmann's Jesus Project swan song can be found here.

from the above.

Quote:

With due regard to the complexity of evidence surrounding Christian origins—a subject that has been complicated, in a good way, rather than solved by the discoveries of modern scholarship—I no longer believe it is possible to answer the “historicity question. “ No quantum of material discovered since the1940’s, in the absence of canonical material would support the existence of an historical founder. No material regarded as canonical and no church doctrine built upon it in the history of the church would cause us to deny it. Whether the New Testament runs from Christ to Jesus or Jesus to Christ is not a question we can answer.

mountainman · 05-30-2011, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto

Richard Carrier's review

yikes.

Is this "Left out" article available online anywhere?

R. Joseph Hoffmann's "Heretics and the Role of the Canon in Delimiting the Historical Jesus,"

hjalti · 05-30-2011, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto

Richard Carrier's review

yikes.

Yikes indeed. I must admit that I trust Richard's judgement.

Can one dream that Carrier would create a second, improved edition?

discordant · 05-31-2011, 06:49 AM

I was really looking forward to Dennis MacDonald's synoptic solution, but I guess I'll have to wait a little longer for the full treatment.

Toto · 05-31-2011, 10:16 AM

RJ Hoffman replies with some explanations of the "untidiness" of the production

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