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Old 06-21-2011, 06:45 AM   #51
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Chapter 8

Continuing drivel. (new driver)

The Historicity of Jesus By Shirley Jackson Case (1912)

CHAPTER VIII: EXTRA-BIBLICAL EVIDENCE FOR JESUS' EXISTENCE

To save everyone wading through such drivel
I have made a very quick summary list.


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* the Apostolic Fathers (i.e. "Eusebius")

* Pliny, when governor of Bithynia, wrote to Trajan

* Nero persecuted the Christians.

* Suetonius

* Tacitus

* Josephus

* the Talmudists

That's it folks.
The shows over.

Believe in this evidence and ye shall be saved from having to think for yourself.


But wait, a final curtain .....

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The evidence for Jesus' existence is derived mainly from Christian sources. If it is urged that his existence cannot be "proved," as a mathematical theorem perhaps it cannot.

So far so good.


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But it is equally true that such a proof of his non-historicity is also out of the question.
The final sentence is obviously false. Quite obviously the hypothesis that the Christian sources are pious forgeries could not be entertained by the gentile mind of the year 1912. However the fact remains that the Christian sources, in which the HJ appears, may well have been lovingly fabricated by pious forgery. And if the Christian sources were in fact forged and/or fabricated, then the historicity of jesus is in the wastepaper basket.
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Robert M. Price's fan base is made entirely of atheists, secularists, and anti-religious activists, and that should be taken as an obvious fact.
It is neither obvious nor a fact.

If it were true, it would be irrelevant, but it is patently false.

Evangelical apologists claim to believe in God. You claim not to believe in God. For the life of me, I cannot see any other difference between you and them.
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Robert M. Price's fan base is made entirely of atheists, secularists, and anti-religious activists, and that should be taken as an obvious fact.
It is neither obvious nor a fact.

If it were true, it would be irrelevant, but it is patently false.

Evangelical apologists claim to believe in God. You claim not to believe in God. For the life of me, I cannot see any other difference between you and them.
  • I believe that God and all the rest of the gods exist merely as mental systematic delusions of religion
  • I believe that there should be a most extreme form separation between church and state, well beyond even what Thomas Jefferson believed
  • I believe in arriving at conclusions merely through the application of reason, logic, and the consensuses of respected secular academics
  • I believe that "faith" is the poorest excuse to believe wishful nonsense
  • I believe that all manner of abortion methods and other forms of birth control should be widely available
  • I believe that atheists should be willing to make their positions public and be proud of it
  • I believe that religion should be discouraged through the most effective means available
  • I am a loyal fan of Monty Python, House, Cosmos, and South Park
  • I believe that Jesus was a psychopath and he lied to his idiot disciples that the end of the world would be coming very shortly and they should be members of his cult if they wanted to be spared from the doomsday
Other than that, I am an evangelical apologist.
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