Magdlyn

But will you admit that is just sentiment, or at best, dogma, and not in the text at all?

So they just got more knowledge from the tree? Sort of like, just being there was kindergarten, then the tree was real school? Again, dogma/sentiment.

More likely? Are you rewriting the story? They heard his voice walking. It is clear.

It wasn't a paradise, actually, it was a garden of delight, where they had to work as farmers.

Well, if we do not choose your Xtian god, we get to burn in hell! Some choice.

Other gifts-- sweat, pulling up brambles, extreme labor/pain in childbirth, and for women a real bonus--hopeless sexual desire for one man who gets to dominate us!

Mageth

What Magdlyn said. :notworthy

dado

and now you're getting to the real reason why the crowd who won't go beyond the Missionary Position wants to ignore Jewish Law - one of those laws requires men to sexually satisfy their wives. failure of the man to do so is not only a sin, it is automatic grounds for divorce. put this together with what we know of Paul and a great many mysteries are cleared up.

(no, i'm not making this up, Judaism really does put the onus for a "happy marriage" on the man)

Magdlyn

Sadly, perhaps one more reason Judaism makes up less than 1% of the population...

(this is a silly joke, not meaning to undermine 2 millenia of extermination, dado)

DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR

Gospelog2, respect here is earned not just given by your say so. Your sources were deleted so I guess none of us can "listen" to them.




Keep in mind, this is an Atheist's haven, not kindergarten bible study, Narcotics/Alcoholics Anonymous
or the mental ward of your local hostpital [debatable].
Also some of us [Me] don't consider as having a spirit or inner man, we are machines.


Get thee to Rapture Ready.


The powers that be have deleted your message. My heart does not seek truth, but does serve it's purpose of flowing blood throughout my system, thou shall not maketh any brownie points by calling our responses mindless, mind thou. [see other post in this thread about calling each other mindless/fools that were deleted]


Your original posts asks three excuses for refusing Christ, if you are offened by the responses maybe you should stay away. Many a theist as well as atheist on this board will disagree on your assertion of how to receive Christ,and of heaven and hell, threats of heaven or hell is, somewhat, considered banter.

The choice is yours, not ours for whether or not you want to stay.

Ion

Don't 'think' anylonger about this, just know what existence is scientifically proved in history and what existence is not scientifically proved in history.

"...A&E...", "...God...", "...Creator..." are not proved in history like I pointed out on the previous page.

So they are your cult's myths only.

Forget them.

Believe in real life and proved history instead.

dado

ok...

...but that isn't. what you are saying is "Never read fiction". myths are important to human existence, they are concise ways of encapsulating parts of the human condition. to toss those out would be to toss out most of our cultural base of knowledge - and have nothing with which to replace it.

bad idea.

Mageth

I concur. The problem comes, however, when people insist on reading myth as history, poetry as prose. Ever read Joseph Campbell?

Ion

I meant "...Forget them..." in a discussion about reality.

Beyond the proved reality, fiction is important in a way to express imagination, personal beliefs and culture.

Starboy

You can always tell when that sort of foolery is going on because the term "faith" usually pops up.

Starboy