Amlodhi

Hello Bernard,

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

I have done some study in the NT, primarily in the area of the more obvious divergences in doctrinal opinions and the diversity of the historical accounts.

I have also spent some time examining (in translation) extant textual witnesses, the writings of the ante-nicene fathers and (for insight into the eschatological and messianic mindset of the pre-Christian era in Judea) the Qumran documents.

However, since my primary area of interest has always been the OT and the related literature, I have never dissected the nuances of the NT to the extend that you and Peter have. Also, though I'm reasonably comfortable with biblical Hebrew, Greek is still Greek to me.

Therefore, as regards the points you made in your post, at this point I can only say that, you could be right, and I don't know.

However, to the point that I've followed the arguments in your posts so far, I do have certain reservations which, I admit, are caused primarily by my predisposition to be wary of speculation regarding the motives of biblical authors.

I will, nevertheless, defer forming an opinion until such time as I have had an opportunity to read your website and further evaluate your position.

Namaste'

Amlodhi

Jim Larmore

"Amlodhi",
Thats pretty profound somantics man I'm currently reading Bernard's website too. I have to admitt the man has done some pretty exhaustive study on the N.T. gospels. I wonder just how he comes up with some of his speculative conclusions also. I plan on posting some questions to him directly soon.

I took biblical greek in college, ( I'm real rusty on it) so this is really helping me get back up to speed on the language again.

Amlodhi, just have to ask. Is your forum name a symbolic acronym of where you live? Am= America , Lodhi= Central USA or Colorado? Just curious.

Amlodhi

Hello Jim,

Actually, the name Amlodhi is taken from an Old Icelandic version of a myth that references an enigmatic "mill" that once ground out "peace and plenty" then later, in decaying times it ground out salt and now having landed at the bottom of the sea, it is grinding out rock and sand, creating a vast whirlpool called the Maelstrom.

I chose the name because one of the most intriguing books I have ever read is, "Hamlet's Mill, an Essay Investigating the Origins of Human Knowledge and it's Transmission through Myth" by Giorgio De Santillana and Hertha Von Dechend.

This is not "New Age". Both Santillana and Von Dechend were full professors of history/anthropology. One at MIT and the other at Frankfurt.

They had discovered specific recurring themes throughout the history and geographical domain of myth which are strongly connected to the concept of repeating cycles and the phenomenon of astronomical precession. As for example, Amlodhi (Hamlet) is intricately connected to the theme of the "Once and Future King".


"Tis said, sang Snaebjorn, that far out, off yonder ness, the Nine Maids of the Island Mill stir amain the host-cruel skerry-quern; they who in ages past ground Hamlet's meal. . . Here the sea is called Amlodhi's mill."

"The theory about "how the world began" seems to involve the breaking asunder of a harmony, a kind of cosmogonic "original sin" whereby the circle of the ecliptic (with the zodiac) was tilted up at an angle with respect to the equator, and the cycles of change came into being."

"The reservoir of myth and fable is great, but there are morphological "markers" for what is not mere storytelling of the kind that comes naturally."

Excerpts are from: "Hamlet's Mill", Giorgio De Santillana and Hertha Von Dechend; David R. Godine, Pub.; Jaffrey, New Hampshire, 1977.

Hope that wasn't more than you wanted to know.

Namaste'

Amlodhi

Doctor X

Do not listen to him! Er . . . read him!

It is clearly "Amalgamated Managing Landlords of Duplex Homes International"

Next . . . he will try to convince you that only five gunmen were at Daley Plaza. . . .

Who is he working for?

Indeed, there are really no "creation" myths as the sense of "something from nothing." Notice the arguments about the Big Bang--"there had to be 'something' before it." It seems counterintuitive.

The concept of "reordering" is more prevalent. The first Genesis myth--opening--is that, actually. YHWH "cuts" the heavens from the earth using the original sense of the verb that gets translated improperly as "create"--since "cut" would make little sense in more "modern times." [He stole this from Westermann's work on Genesis.--Ed.] Shhh!

--J.D.

Amlodhi

Amalgamated Managing Landlords of Duplex Homes International ?

<chuckle>. . . You really gotta get out more.

Very true. Most myths and "scriptures" actual refer back to a time known as the "First Time" or the "Golden Age".

The harmony of the "Golden Age" was broken when the circle of the ecliptic diverted from the equatorial circle. The effects of equinoctial precession caused the heliacal rising of key star groups to lag further and further behind in their expected ascension.

This concept is reflected most superbly in the Ethiopic Apocalypse of Enoch:

The angel (Uriel) says to Enoch, "This place is the end of heaven and earth; it is the prison house for the stars and the powers of heaven. And the stars which roll over upon the fire, they are the ones which have transgressed the commandments of God from the beginning of their rising because they did not arrive punctually. And he was wroth with them and bound them until the time of the completion of their sin in the year of mystery."

From: "The Ethiopic Apocalypse of Enoch", (in) The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha, Vol. 1; Anchor Bible Reference Library; James H. Charlesworth, ed., Doubleday Pub. New York, NY.

Curiouser and curiouser,

Amlodhi

Jim Larmore

Bernard,
First of all I must applaud your work on the gospels, it appears to be exhaustive. I'm sure you have spent many many hours in study and research doing the work on your web-site.

I have a few questions before I make any statements on what I have read so far. When you make statements or comments on passages from the gospels are you interpreting from the original greek or are you using a thesaurus ( spelling ) of some kind?

If you are using a greek manuscript is it Textus Receptus ( Erasmus' ) or some other vesion of the available manuscripts.

Jim Larmore

Gregg,
Hope your still watching this thread , I wanted to respond to your last post. The arguments I've made concerning the authenticity of the gospels are "plausable". I don't feel I am making up excuses for the accounts of what happened when Jesus was here. Like I said the fact that they are not mentioned in very many ancient manuscripts doesn't make them false or "that they just didn't happen".

It seems the lack of evidence from ancient manuscripts which authenticates the contentious occurrences only applies when it comes to the Bible. Take for instance the accounts of Alexander the Great. I don't know of anyone who is challenging the authenticity of what happened when Greece speedily conquered the world back then , however you'll have a hard time finding much more than the writings of Herodotus to back it up historically.

I mean it seems ok to swallow hook line and sinker some aspects of ancient history but when it comes to the Biblical accounts they have to be backed up with many historical manuscripts that are beyond scrutiny. Right? Believe what you want to believe but be fair about it

Doctor X

Jim::

You are actually misrepresenting history.

--J.D.

Jim Larmore

Dr.X
I what way? Was I totally incorrect in my last post?

Doctor X

The evidence for an Alexander is rather more extensive than that for an historical Junior.

Period.

You are appealing to a "movement of the goal posts" unjustifiably.

--J.D.