BruceWane

Back on topic.............

I'm no scientist. But scientific method is defined by results that are repeatable; in other words, any scientist, whether they are christian, buddhist, islamic, atheist etc. could carry out the same experiment and get the same results.

Since christianity, buddhism, islam, etc. are all distictly different worldviews, doesn't this demonstrate that science is specifically independent from any particular worldview?

Plognark

You know, some people are a bit too literal when reading a phrase, label, or title.

_Naturalist_

It doesn't really matter what the Bible say. I am sure the Bible can be interpreted in many different ways if one only wants to. It used to support a young universe with a fixed flat Earth at the centre. Now suddenly it describes big bang, other dimensions, etc.? One wonders why the interpretation has to change to fit science? Of what use is the Bible if you can't read it without getting the truth elsewhere?

JesusLovesYou

We are made in the likeness and image of God, so we are born with the morality of God.

[QUOTE].


Why is it that if atheist share ideas that is cool, if Christians do they are narrow minded robots. Guess it just depends on whose eyes we are looking through.

BruceWane

Ah. OK. Since we are born with this morality, what's the point of practicing christianity? Shouldn't our inherent godly morality prevent us from acting in a way which displeases god?


Depends on the ideas being shared more than the ideaology of the person sharing it.

If an any person, even an atheist, shares ideas that purposefully ignore elements of common knowlege, they will be seen as equally narrow-minded and/or dogmatic. Hard-core idealogues who cling to their ideas even in the face of obvious error, be they socialists, or capitalists, or christians, or atheists, etc. are seen by most people as "narrow-minded robots".

JesusLovesYou

We are born with the knowledge of right and wrong in us, doesn't mean we are going to follow that. "Free Will", gives us the choose to choice right or wrong, and we don't always choose right.

mart0224

A bit judgmental aren't we. The dialogue I'm having with this person started several years ago with a relative when he decided to try to convert me. He apparently couldn't think for himself so he had me read two of Lee Strobel's books, which I did. He still couldn't answer my questions so he gave my email address to the person I mentioned above. That person didn't answer all of my questions so he asked me to read two books from people from Reasons to Believe. Over these several years this is the first time I've asked for advice from a message board.

Christians are masters at redefining what the bible says and moving the target. As a result there are so many different groups and ideas that it's impossible to be schooled in all of them. So asking for input is almost mandatory.

Thou shall not judge other--unless you are a Christian.

Selsaral

Shenanigans. I've seen children before. They don't even know how to clean their own asses, much less practice kindness, respect for other's property, etc. Most children I know are constantly being scolded for doing something wrong. When I was a child I noticed that myself and most of the others around were cruel, irresponsible, and completely ignorant of most of the morality I know as an adult. It's not a coincidence that the older I got, the more moral I acted.

This is telling you something. This is telling you that the morality we have as adults was taught to us by our parents and our society. It's not 'in us' at birth.

Alter

Yes, we can choose right or wrong. Yes, we can choose to drink or not drink Kool-Aid. I choose "right" and "no Kool-Aid".

Unfortunately, too many theists choose "Kool-Aid! Kool-Aid! Kool-Aid", even when it requires them to choose "wrong". They justify the wrong because of the Kool-Aid. Us atheists choose right regardless, due to the inherent morality of human empathy.

Remember the saying about religion:

“With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion.�?
-- Steven Weinberg

Plognark

Which one can be labelled a heretic or blasphemer, or excommunicated for following a different interpretation?

I can't actually roll my eyes hard enough to express how I feel about that response.