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JABcomix · 09-25-2009, 05:47 AM

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I didn't mention any jewish renditions. I meant any body. I don't care whether they were Greek, Roman or jewish. Did any body depict him in any media?

Well that I don't know. However, it seems highly unlikely.

aa5874 · 09-25-2009, 06:27 AM

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I have seen paintings, sculptures and engravings that are dated to have been done over 2000 years ago. Was nobody an artist at the time of Jesus? You would think there should be some rendition of this Jesus if he really was that noticeable in his time. I guess, since I'm an atheist, I haven't given this much thought. Has anybody given this any thought?

Maybe you don't know this, but it was against Jewish law to make any graven images. This included portraits. So it wouldn't be likely that any contemporaries of Jesus would paint him.

There is a big difference between making a portrait and worshipping the portrait.

Jews did not worship images but what source of antiquity show that Jews were prohibited from making paintings?

everettf · 09-25-2009, 10:04 AM

People keep come out with these idea's that make no sense. All I want is scientific evidence. When you make fun of the question I asked, I have to assume you or any other theist or believer in the supernatural has nothing.

I can't even get evidence of any and all gods. Everything you hear abot these so called god is nothing but hearsay.

IBelieveInHymn · 09-25-2009, 10:06 AM

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umm jesus is a myth

Wow!! that was impressive. Where did you learn that? Because of this poster, I am now an atheist!!
:Cheeky:

Toto · 09-25-2009, 04:25 PM

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Joan of Bark · 09-25-2009, 11:14 PM

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Maybe you don't know this, but it was against Jewish law to make any graven images. This included portraits. So it wouldn't be likely that any contemporaries of Jesus would paint him.

There is a big difference between making a portrait and worshipping the portrait.

Jews did not worship images but what source of antiquity show that Jews were prohibited from making paintings?

Er, the second commandment? Jews felt that a physical representation of a person could ultimately lead to idolatry (much as Muslims do today). Hence it was forbidden to even portray a person.

If Jesus had been anything other than a physical run-of-the-mill Jew, the gospels would probably have said as much. Jesus was turned into a caucasian to make him more palatable to potential European converts. Even today He is still being portrayed as such in the west. Also notice how on crucifixes He is always shown with a loincloth; is this really for the sake of modesty, or so that we won't see that He's circumcised?

wordy · 09-26-2009, 01:52 AM

Didn't they have statues of famous persons? Aristotel??? Caesar Julius and others like him?

I think Jesus is a myth though

JABcomix · 09-26-2009, 02:45 AM

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Didn't they have statues of famous persons? Aristotel??? Caesar Julius and others like him?

I think Jesus is a myth though

Greek and Roman. They loved their art. They had no quarrel about idolatrous worship. However, Jesus was a Jew. He lived in Jewish communities. He was surrounded by Jewish people. All of whom followed the Jewish religion and it's law. So irrespective of Greek, Roman, Chinese, Indian or any other culture's art, Jesus wasn't part of all that. And even if he did visit a Greek town, he never stayed long enough to have a painter paint him or a sculptor sculpt him. The Jewish people simply did not make images of their own. So until you understand that basic concept, any other explanation your '"super" intelligent mind puts forward will be discredited.

Susan2 · 09-26-2009, 06:16 AM

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Joan of Bark
Also notice how on crucifixes He is always shown with a loincloth; is this really for the sake of modesty, or so that we won't see that He's circumcised?

I would think that the purpose of the lion cloth is to ask the observer:

Is this vulgar enough for you or do you want more?

ETA: Of course we live in a day and age when we can ask such question. Will it remain so? Or, will we be crucified?

dog-on · 09-26-2009, 06:28 AM

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Didn't they have statues of famous persons? Aristotel??? Caesar Julius and others like him?

I think Jesus is a myth though

Greek and Roman. They loved their art. They had no quarrel about idolatrous worship. However, Jesus was a Jew. He lived in Jewish communities. He was surrounded by Jewish people. All of whom followed the Jewish religion and it's law. So irrespective of Greek, Roman, Chinese, Indian or any other culture's art, Jesus wasn't part of all that. And even if he did visit a Greek town, he never stayed long enough to have a painter paint him or a sculptor sculpt him. The Jewish people simply did not make images of their own. So until you understand that basic concept, any other explanation your '"super" intelligent mind puts forward will be discredited.

fail...

http://www.digital-picture-printing-.../more_info.asp

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09-25-2009, 10:04 AM	#23
everettf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: orange county,ca Posts: 630	People keep come out with these idea's that make no sense. All I want is scientific evidence. When you make fun of the question I asked, I have to assume you or any other theist or believer in the supernatural has nothing. I can't even get evidence of any and all gods. Everything you hear abot these so called god is nothing but hearsay.

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