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ArchAngel432 · 09-07-2004, 04:32 PM

What is POWER?

Power is the ability to impose your will over another.

Saddam held power in Iraq because he had this ability. The people gave it to him with the old Iraqi constitution. Compared to the puppets the English installed it sounded pretty good. We know what the results were.

The people gave their power to Saddam by agreeing to be governed. But not because they wanted him to have power. They wanted a government of their own that was free, and independent of outside forces. They wanted Sovereignty, and who can blame them. Well, they got it.

Later they were sorry they did, but it was too late. You must have some form of government, even if it is simple tribal, or religious law. There must be law to maintain order for without it there will be chaos. We all saw that with the riots, and looting after Saddam fell from power. There was no order because the power to enforce the law evaporated. This created a power vacuum which we filled.

We are in the process of creating new law, and establishing it so that power to enforce the law that maintains order can be held by elected Iraqis. This will give it legitimacy because representatives of the people will agree to this law when they raitfy the new constitution.

It would not have worked were it not for the handover of power. Since we gave them the government we got to create it, and through this creation we will have power over even the people elected to represent the Iraqi people for we shall hold their very lives in our hands. Even greater power than Saddam had. All from a hidden hand within the elected democratic government.

ROGUE COURT:

The only thing the court is bound by is its founding statute.

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http://www.cpa-iraq.org/government/TAL.html
LAW OF ADMINISTRATION FOR THE STATE OF IRAQ
FOR THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD

CHAPTER SEVEN – THE SPECIAL TRIBUNAL AND NATIONAL COMMISSIONS

Article 48.

(A) The statute establishing the Iraqi Special Tribunal issued on 10 December 2003 is confirmed. That statute exclusively defines its jurisdiction and procedures, notwithstanding the provisions of this Law.

(B)No other court shall have jurisdiction to examine cases within the competence of the Iraqi Special Tribunal, except to the extent provided by its founding statute.

It is free and independent of any Iraqi authority.

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THE STATUTE OF THE IRAQI SPECIAL TRIBUNAL
SECTION ONE
The Establishment, Organization and Competence of the Tribunal
PART ONE
Establishment and Competence of the Tribunal
Article 1.

a) A Tribunal is hereby established and shall be known as the “Iraqi Special Tribunal for Crimes Against Humanity�? (the “Tribunal�?). The jurisdiction and functioning of the Tribunal and its associated bodies as defined in Article 3(B ) below shall be governed by the provisions of this Statute. The Tribunal shall be an independent entity and not associated with any Iraqi government department.

They have power over virtually the entire population, and anyone meeting requirements to run for office. All they need to do is accuse someone of a crime.

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B ) The Tribunal shall have jurisdiction over any Iraqi national or resident of Iraq accused of the crimes listed in Articles 11 to 14 below, committed since July 17, 1968 and up until and including May 1, 2003, in the territory of the Republic of Iraq or elsewhere, including crimes committed in connection with Iraq’s wars against the Islamic Republic of Iran and the State of Kuwait. This includes jurisdiction over crimes listed in Articles 12 and 13 committed against the people of Iraq (including its Arabs, Kurds, Turcomans, Assyrians and other ethnic groups, and its Shi’ites and Sunnis) whether or not committed in armed conflict.

The foreign Judges will not be bound by it.

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c) The Tribunal shall only have jurisdiction over natural persons.

The foreign Judges were seated under the authority of the Puppet IGC.

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Article 4.
d) The Governing Council, if it deems necessary, can appoint non-Iraqi judges who have experience in the crimes encompassed in this statute, and who shall be persons of high moral character, impartiality and integrity.

They can only be removed by the rogue court.

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THE STATUTE OF THE IRAQI SPECIAL TRIBUNAL
SECTION ONE
The Establishment, Organization and Competence of the Tribunal
PART SIX
Tribunal Investigative Judges

(2) The decision to disqualify a Tribunal Investigative Judge shall be taken by the majority of permanent judges of the Tribunal, after conducting appropriate investigations.

Foreign ´advisors´ are inside everywhere.

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n) The Chief Tribunal Investigative Judge shall be required to appoint non-Iraqi nationals to act in advisory capacities or as observers to the Tribunal Investigative Judges. The role of the non-Iraqi nationals and observers shall be to provide assistance to the Tribunal Investigative Judges with respect to the investigations and prosecution of cases covered by the this Statute (whether in an international context or otherwise), and to monitor the protection by the Tribunal Investigative Judges of general due process of law standards. In appointing such advisors, the Chief Tribunal Investigative Judge shall be entitled to request assistance from the international community, including the United Nations.

They will be Judges, and prosecuters.

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o) The non-Iraqi advisors and observers referred to in this Article shall also be persons of high moral character, impartiality and integrity. In this regard, it would be preferable that such non-Iraqi advisor or observer shall have the following experience: (i) such person shall have acted in either a judicial or prosecutorial capacity in his or her respective country, or (ii) such person shall have experience in international war crimes trials or tribunals.

No appeal to the Iraqi federal court is allowed.

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LAW OF ADMINISTRATION FOR THE STATE OF IRAQ
FOR THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD

Article 48.
(B ) No other court shall have jurisdiction to examine cases within the competence of the Iraqi Special Tribunal, except to the extent provided by its founding statute.

Saddam only dreamed of having this much power, and he did not sleep very well when he did.

America will hold complete power in Iraq under a democratically elected government though this court in compliance with all law.

And nothing the Iraqis can do will stop it unless they overthrow their democratically elected government.

It is a virus.

It is the matrix.

What you must understand is that these are dual documents.

They have two meanings.

One is for the average person.

They read it and tears well in their eyes thinking of all the freedoms they were given that Saddam denied them.

The reality would also bring tears to their eyes, but in much greater volumes.

They will look at their brothers on the other side of the border who do not have what they do.

They will join with with America and help us fight their brothers to bring them freedom, and unite under democracy an Islamic world that has been spearated for so long by nothing more than a line in the sand and rules they agreed to when they joined the UN.

And the Iranians will look at the freedoms Iraq has, and throw down their arms.

Who can make war with the Beast?

ArchAngel432 · 09-07-2004, 04:33 PM

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The court would have power to have ARRESTED elected officials , If they are suspected of commiting war crimes, The court has no authority to inact or veto executive policy, nor the power to create legislation........so how does this court undermine democracy?

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THE STATUTE OF THE IRAQI SPECIAL TRIBUNAL
SECTION THREE
Jurisdiction and Crimes
PART FIVE
Violations of Stipulated Iraqi Laws
Article 14.

The Tribunal shall have the power to prosecute persons who have committed the following crimes under Iraqi law:

a) For those outside the judiciary, the attempt to manipulate the judiciary or involvement in the functions of the judiciary, in violation, inter alia, of the Iraqi interim constitution of 1970, as amended;

b) The wastage of national resources and the squandering of public assets and funds, pursuant to, inter alia, Article 2(g) of Law Number 7 of 1958, as amended; and

c) The abuse of position and the pursuit of policies that may lead to the threat of war or the use of the armed forces of Iraq against an Arab country, in accordance with Article 1 of Law Number 7 of 1958, as amended.

"Oh my! "

"Look at this document we just found while searching for the missing money. "

"It´s the same kind of paper they used for the yellow cake letter. "

"Someone dropped a penney. "

"Look whos name is on it. "

"He doesn´t even deseve to think anymore. "

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THE STATUTE OF THE IRAQI SPECIAL TRIBUNAL
SECTION ONE
The Establishment, Organization and Competence of the Tribunal
PART SIX
Tribunal Investigative Judges
Article 7.

h) In accordance with Iraqi criminal procedure, each Tribunal Investigative Judge shall have the power to issue subpoenas, arrest warrants and indictments with respect to individuals that they are investigating.

"ARREST THAT MAN! "

"But I didn´t do ANYTHING! "

No one bites the hidden hand

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THE STATUTE OF THE IRAQI SPECIAL TRIBUNAL
PART FIVE
Violations of Stipulated Iraqi Laws
SECTION FOUR
Individual Criminal Responsibility
Article 15.

1. Commits such a crime, whether as an individual, jointly with another or through another person, regardless of whether that other person is criminally responsible;

"Who said YOU had to? "

They had a much better deal under Saddam.

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http://www.strike-free.org/esp/CONSTITUTION_esp.htm

CONSTITUTION OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF IRAQ

July 16, 1970

PART I - ESTABLISHING THE FEDERAL STATE

Article 3:

Power is inherent in the people as they are the source of its legitimacy.

There is no such line in the new constitution.

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LAW OF ADMINISTRATION FOR THE STATE OF IRAQ
FOR THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD

The people of Iraq, striving to reclaim their freedom, which was usurped by the previous tyrannical regime, rejecting violence and coercion in all their forms, and particularly when used as instruments of governance, have determined that they shall hereafter remain a free people governed under the rule of law.

When the constitution is ratified the people will agree to be subject to imposed law, instead of being the source of its legitimacy.

I AM A SLAVE BUT I AM FREE!

ArchAngel432 · 09-07-2004, 04:35 PM

You cannot stop people from thinking altogether, and you cannot stop them from thinking what you do not want them to think.

You can stop people from coercing others into thinking what you do not want them to think.

Then you control everything they think!

First freedoms will be taken away from the leaders, but the people will not be told about it.

They will become effective puppets.

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http://www.cpa-iraq.org/government/TAL.html
LAW OF ADMINISTRATION FOR THE STATE OF IRAQ
FOR THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD
Article 12.

All Iraqis are equal in their rights without regard to gender, sect, opinion, belief, nationality, religion, or origin, and they are equal before the law. Discrimination against an Iraqi citizen on the basis of his gender, nationality, religion, or origin is prohibited. Everyone has the right to life, liberty, and the security of his person. No one may be deprived of his life or liberty, except in accordance with legal procedures. All are equal before the courts.

Consider what the law will be when freedoms are taken away from the Iraqi leaders.

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Article 13.
(f) Each Iraqi has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religious belief and practice. Coercion in such matters shall be prohibited.

The exception allows even freedom of thought, and religion to be taken away from all people through legislation, or from individual people through the Rogue court, including elected officials.

Then all you need to do is control the media, which they already do by law.

ArchAngel432 · 10-02-2004, 05:32 PM

I am surprised there were no replies to this thread.

I assumed there would be someone here who would be interested in knowing the real reason why Iraq was Conquered.

Dirty Adan · 10-03-2004, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ArchAngel432

What is POWER?

And this where your OP ceased to be worthy of the purported topic. Why not ask the obvious question, how can the US secure its interests while simultaneously permiting Iraqi democracy to flourish?

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ArchAngel432 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 5	I am surprised there were no replies to this thread. I assumed there would be someone here who would be interested in knowing the real reason why Iraq was Conquered.

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