arkirk

The more we stand with our face to the wind on the issue of amorality, the more we leave ourselves open to this kind of ridicuous claim. (That atheists are "amoral" whatever that means.) It is a serious matter to tell somebody that they MUST ACCEPT YOUR RELIGION OR BE CONDEMNED ETERNALLY. I do not buy any of it.

It appears that our best examples of "amorality" come today(just in case Dix 2 reads this post) from the religious of this world. What is "religious" anyway? It appears to this writer that "religious" means doctrinaire, rigidly following some creed regardless of the consequences. It means to me, being unable to accept new data on the nature of our lives. It means being unable to curb one's cruelty toward others who do not believe as we do. In short, this definition or "religious" seems to line up quite well with immoral.

If you set any standard dictating that you be kind to others, then you have something at least akin to "morality." If on the other hand, you are ready to kill your neighbor at the drop of a hat, at the first hint of dissent, then you are a "religious" whatever-you-are.

arkirk

C'mon Mr. Poncho...wake up. It is good that you love you mother. It is not good that you hate. I just heard Martin Luther King's Nobel Speech and concur with every bit of it....You cannot drive out darkness with more darkness. Think on it real hard.

moonwatcher

Its an old point we atheist have to keep hitting home:

Atheism (the lack of belief in God) is a threat to morality (acting with concern for the welfare of others) only if one's only valid reason to be moral is to please God.

Fortunately, this isn't the case. The foundation of morality is love and love is valuable for its own sake. It needs no external sanction, divine or otherwise.

arkirk

I was really glad to see your post. Thanx.:thumbs:

LGM

I am the infamous LakeGeorgeMan from Theologyweb, who was responsible for eliciting that lame “apology�? from the TWeb admin team. Eventually I was banned from the site for exposing these posts of their uber-conservative, Christian, hate filled moderator named Jason.

Tweb tried to claim that alleged “apology�? was the “end�? of any and all discussion about that incident, and when I relinked that thread in a separate post just recently, they banned me. I guess I'm surprised I lasted as long as I did there.

In the thread where the threats were made, Jason claims more than once that he would kill certain posters who annoyed him if he wasn’t such a "faithful Christian". :gag:

He claimed in the thread that he takes things like “worldviews�? seriously. Once I exposed his conditional threats in the separate thread, he used his moderator rights to delete all his posts where he made the threats. So not only did he threaten people, but he then tried to cover it up by abusing his moderator rights and deleting his posts. Not exactly the actions of someone who wasn't embarrased by his tripe. Both of these actions were against the forum’s rules, but it was no surprise that Jason received no moderation, or loss of moderator rights, for these offenses, because his Christian hatred for atheists endears him to the site’s owner, Dee Dee Warren. So to make the incident go away, Jason had to claim that he was using “hyperbole�?, when he made those statements, even though its clear from reading the thread he’s trying to use it as a serious claim to support his lame argument. Not that anyone believed him, people who post there know he’s just a blowhard poser. The woman he threatened could probably kick his little wimpy arse.

As you can see in the reply, Ms. Warren, the site’s owner, has had two abortions, and likes to blame them on the fact that she wasn’t a “Christian�? when she had them. Many other hypocrite Christians on T-web also like to claim they were evil, immoral atheists who were having pre-marital sex before they got married, found Jesus, and figured out that was wrong as well. Now everyone else having premarital sex is a sinner, while they are “saved�?.

Christianity seems to be the perfect system for certain self righteous hypocrites. They get to claim that anything they did before they were Christians wasn’t their fault, because they didn't know killing babies was wrong till they read about a tribal deity who kills infants to teach Pharoahs a lesson. They also like being magically forgiven for anything they do, just by clicking their heals and saying “forgive me Lord�?. And they especially like the ability to claim they are morally superior to everyone else…
...especially atheists.

Garrett

Hey, Nowhere357 here! I remember having a lot of fun over there. I left of my own free will, disgusted with the blatant homophobia encouraged by the moderation.

LGM

Hey Nowhere!

Yeah...I had a lot of fun over there too. There was just an endless supply of material for an infidel comedian like me to work with. I was deeply reviled, and alternatively loved, by many over there.

There really are some pretty decent and thoughtful Christians over there, including many of the moderators. Its just that they usually get over powered by the self righteous, pious, uber-conservative hypocrites.
There is also a large clan of Calvinistas over there who appear to worship the butcher of Geneva more than they do any god...I think they all have tattoos of his likeness on their backsides...

Jason and GoBahnsen are two prime examples of psycho moderators over there...the fact that a nutjob like this Jason guy is the moderator of the site's main forum for atheist/theist debate, speaks volumes about their Admin staff's critical thinking skills and bias.

Of course the best part of that site is JP Holding, the resident underemployed librarian, house apologist and wannabe cartoonist. He has a huge fan club of wannabes. I had a lot of fun with them.

Garrett

I recall that you consistently exhibited an open and fair mind. You haven't changed much, I guess.

Holding (inadvertantly) taught me that idiocy and intelligence can live in harmony in one brain. I also learned there is no reason to be intimidated by intellectual snobbery. (Wisdom is more valuable an asset than IQ.)

peace

ninewands

I must say, that is a good a statement of atheist morality as I have ever seen. I must also say that it is as effective a condemnation of theist "moral superiority" as I have ever seen. Well put!

LGM

Of course in reality, there is no such thing as atheist or theist or Christian morality. There is only an endless sea of human behavior, its complex motivations, its various effects, and the value judgments we make about our behaviors.