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Old 07-22-2008, 05:31 PM   #91
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The premise of the OP is mistaken: The scientific method is not responsible for any 'damage', since it is simply a system for acquiring knowledge. Any 'damage' done is the result of particular applications of technology.
Like saying my brain isn't responsible for kicking the dog it was my foot. My brain kicked a simulation of the dog in my brain. It was my foot that accomplished the act of kicking the dog. But the foot and the brain are wired together just like the scientific method and the resulting self-destructive technologies. Quite rightly you've stated the scinetific method is a system for acquiring knowledge but it cannot know in advance the consequences of such rapid knowledge acquisation with which it is capable. All that can be said is that science is devoting more and more time to solve the problems that have resulted from its own past applications. The dog is being kicked and it only appears to be a foot kicking, actually it is a brain.

Soo, should we also stop using our hands, since they can be used to hit people with? Maybe we should all cut them off, just to be sure.
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If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands.
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:49 AM   #93
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If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands.
But....my mind makes me look at ... pornography ... ... ...

hmm - if I cut off my brain, does that mean I have to become a scientologist?
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Old 07-23-2008, 08:51 PM   #94
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I don't hate science. Placing a subjective emotional state into what is meant to be a objective is human nature I suppose? H20 may eventually be rendered redundant if a more accurate description becomes available to the human mind. It is easy to give facts a quasi-religious and almost God like status. But old facts fail before better descriptions of reality if they become available. I'm saying science destroys itself by bringing too many flawed diamands to the surface too quickly which eventually destroys those who utilise the scientific method. Could explain why the skies are silent?

The scientific method needs a operator, a species or a intelligence if you will, to utilise it. The scientific method is a recipe and it needs a cook. The cook makes his pies with ingredients he can never understand but merely say they exist like facts. The pies are not ingredients and the ingredients may not be what they seem. The ingredients can and must be always beyond his grasp because they are infinite in number with the scientific method. Low probability theories are casually ignored however with enough scientific progress one is bound to turn up - a paradigm shift. That is mathematics. In the meantime the cook makes his pies but he knows nothing of their ingredients - he only knows of his pies, they taste equally nice whether bad or good for the digestion. Eventually a pie will prove lethal for the cook and the recipe is no longer utilised. The scientific method will progress until it finds a faulty theory with the potential to destroy the utiliser....then it must be abandoned or it will stop. Almost like a booby-trap in the fabric of reality itself.....
So science is bad since it can lead to unintended and harmful consequences? Does plate tectonic theory lead to harm to the environment? Couldn't a thorough understanding of such a phenomenon lead to us predicting earthquakes and thus saving lives? Is that harmful?
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I don't see what is so controversial or difficult to understand about what the dollar is saying. I could be wrong but i think that all he is saying is that by use of the scientific method we have created many technologies that are destructive to the environment, and also to human life and may eventually lead to extinction - for example nuclear bombs, cars and motor engines and things like that which have partially caused global warming. Without using the scientific method it is unlikely these things would have been created. So there is a bad side to science and technology - even though science clearly is not the only cause of global warming and nuclear bombs.

I really don't see why so many people are angry about him saying that - it seems obvious to me. Although i don't agree that it is possible or sensible to do away with science.
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I don't see what is so controversial or difficult to understand about what the dollar is saying. I could be wrong but i think that all he is saying is that by use of the scientific method we have created many technologies that are destructive to the environment, and also to human life and may eventually lead to extinction
The problem with his position it that it incorrectly places the blame on the scientific method, which is a neutral tool whose purpose is acquisition of knowledge. The blame for any destructive use of scientific knowledge lies in human psychology and social ideologies, which determine application.
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