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Old 07-01-2007, 09:58 PM   #21
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I wished the bible had this, and it is my only wish: This book is a work of fiction. Names, characters, places and incidents are either the product of the authors' imagination or are used fictitously and any resemblance to actual persons living or dead, events, or locales is entirely co-incidental.
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Old 07-01-2007, 11:43 PM   #22
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Original signatures and dates for the authors of each part of the Bible (who would have all written in different colours so that we can see who wrote what) - including all the little interpolations and so on.

It would be nice to see who added what and when.
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The century in which authors in antiquity
first wrote down the gospels and the rest
of the new testament.

A number between 1 and 4 will suffice.
We know it was first published in the 4th.
But when was it composed? Why didn't
they date their work like other authors?

The biggest missing element of information
not mentioned in the (Constantine) Bible
is its priority date(s).

Ah but don't you known: the "unknown author" is timeless.
That's what Oded Golan said
to the Tel Aviv police.

Time itself, and scientific research will unravel the
history of the invention of the Roman religion.

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Anyway, I like it this way. It is so Romantic, don't you think?
Theological romance was the genre described by the
author Edwin Johnson, ("Antiqua Mater: A Study of
Christian Origins") to which Eusebius' writings might
be classified. That was over 100 years ago, and
times change Chili.

I prefer to look at it as a crime story perpetrated
at the military supremacy council of Nicaea, for the
purpose of the invention of a state religion; and I
think that scientific and/or archeological evidence
may tell us more about this crime: of fraudulent
misrepresentation of ancient history, of fraudulent
interpolations into the texts of earlier authors of
antiquity, and in the perversion of extant writings
in the fourth century.

Lavish forgery on an imperial scale; the fabrication
of the Galilaeans has as much integrity as the Historia
Augusta. The genre is not romance but fraud.
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Old 07-02-2007, 04:43 AM   #24
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Original signatures and dates for the authors of each part of the Bible (who would have all written in different colours so that we can see who wrote what) - including all the little interpolations and so on.

It would be nice to see who added what and when.
That would definitely be nice. I'm thinking that if that were the case, most people would have dumped the bible a long time ago. We would probably know that most of it is simply myth.
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The actual name of the "Pharaoh" in the story of Moses.
That's a good one to have. Wish I'd mentioned it.
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1. The four little words "All will be saved" i.e all humans past, present and future would upon death enter into God's heaven. I wish they were there but I can't find them.
Speaking as a hideous sadistic pervert who sells others the facilities to torture little children to death for pleasure and profit, I agree with you. It's very unkind to discriminate against people like me.

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5. What type of wood was used to build the Noachian ark?
And it's dna sequence, of course. After all, what would a word in some ancient language tell us?

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I will reiterate that the list should be what you wish the Bible had
The names of the winners in the 4:30 at Kempton Park, and the account number at the Swiss bank where all the unclaimed and forgotten money is.

The trick to becoming rich, powerful, and irresistably attractive to women (not for me, of course, since I am already all these things -- for my friend).

Honestly, I wonder about you atheists sometimes... Keep your eyes on the ball, man.

All the best,

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2. A definitive definition on when divorce is permissible similar in format to Ex. 20 i.e. Divorce is only permissable when...
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What's unclear about Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:6, 9?
I agree that they are clear to me as you note. What I don't understand is why many Christians cannot accept it unless it is in the form of Ex. 20.

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I think that you mean Malachi to Matthew.
Yes you are right, my typoes. :redface:
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Just because no books appear between Malachi and Matthew in the Protestant canon doesn't mean that these years were "silent." 1 Enoch alone, which had a great impact on the NT, demonstrates this.

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10. How long exactly were the Israelites in Egypt between the death of Jacob and the crossing of the Red sea?
The Bible gives this information:compare Exodus 12:40-41
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to Genesis 47:9,28.
Those references in Gen 47 are referring to the life of Jacob, not the time of the Israelites in Egypt.
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The problem is that it gives contradictory information.
If we note the Gen 47 verses (see above) this contradiction (sic) goes.
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Those references in Gen 47 are referring to the life of Jacob, not the time of the Israelites in Egypt.
Uh, Tigers, look at what your request was:

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10. How long exactly were the Israelites in Egypt between the death of Jacob and the crossing of the Red sea?
Your terminus a quo was the death of Jacob, which is why I gave scriptural references which establish that Jacob died after spending 17 years in Egypt. My other reference, Exodus 12:40-41, gives the total time that the Israelites were in Egypt, 430 years, so the answer to your question is 430-17=413 years. Though your specified terminus ad quem is "the crossing of the Red Sea," 413 years is still accurate, since the amount of time between the exodus and the crossing of the Red Sea was a month or less (compare Exodus 16:1 to Numbers 33:3).

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If we note the Gen 47 verses (see above) this contradiction (sic) goes.
No, the contradiction still stands, as I outlined in greater detail in the thread referenced above.
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What I miss is the "Book of Rastafari"
especially the ganja part.
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Original signatures and dates for the authors of each part of the Bible (who would have all written in different colours so that we can see who wrote what) - including all the little interpolations and so on.

It would be nice to see who added what and when.
Richard Friedman has done something similar with Old Testament (I don't remember now if its just Pentateuch). Different sources in different colors.
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