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Toto · 10-16-2012, 04:31 PM

There is periodic speculation about marijuana use in Biblical times, but there is one mind-altering substance that is well documented.

What would Jesus drink? 'Divine Vintage' spills biblical wine secrets

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Master of Wine Joel Butler and biblical scholar Randall Heskett have written a fascinating analysis of life in the Fertile Crescent, the birthplace of wine, where they say an "accidental Persian lush" first discovered its magical effects 8,000 years ago.

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Heskett believes it is a critical time for a book like "Divine Vintage" and the timeless lessons the Bible offers about wine.

"The people in the Bible thought the wine grape was magic because it was a solid that turned into a liquid and altered your mood," explains Heskett via phone from Boulder, Colo., where he is a wine importer and founding president of Boulder University. "We can sit back as modernists and say they were stupid, or we can suggest that the fact that it ferments on its own is still an act of magic and creation."

The book can be pre-ordered on Amazon.

Divine Vintage: Following the Wine Trail from Genesis to the Modern Age (or via: amazon.co.uk)

Randall Heskett

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In his expansive interests, Randall seeks to address the larger questions of whole-person-centered living and tries to keep this central to lifestyle and scholarship. He balances his life with proper nutrition, working out, running, cycling and swimming daily, while also enjoying and rigorously studying about wine. A renaissance man, he is a carpenter and has reawakened his talents in pottery and painting, even most recently teaching courses in ceramics. In the greater scheme of life, Randall has found wine to be one of the great conveyors of both wisdom and folly. He reveres the words of Guigo the Carthusian, who conveys in his The Latter of Monk, how reading the scriptures leads to contemplation by using the metaphor of chewing on a grape: grape juice is sweet at first and then becomes wine; the sweetness is transformed into holy inebriation.

stephan huller · 10-16-2012, 04:51 PM

I'm going for the obvious answer - 'Jesus juice.'

outhouse · 10-16-2012, 07:26 PM

Beer goes back in the levant roughly 11,000 years, much before wine.

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What would Jesus drink?

anything that first century Galileans would drink.

alcohol was widespread because some of the water was so terrible, a requirement for large sailing vessels.

ritual use of drugs was common, for jews fasting often provided the hallucinations required

No Robots · 10-16-2012, 09:11 PM

proudfootz · 10-16-2012, 09:43 PM

It may be the desire to get a buzz on spurred the rise of agriculture and civilization:

http://www.history.com/news/did-beer...e-and-politics

And yes, there was beer in Israel:

http://www.bibbiablog.com/2010/09/16...es-drink-beer/

youngalexander · 10-17-2012, 12:01 AM

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"The people in the Bible thought the wine grape was magic because it was a solid that turned into a liquid and ..."

Really?

aa5874 · 10-17-2012, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

There is periodic speculation about marijuana use in Biblical times, but there is one mind-altering substance that is well documented.

Please, Toto, don't make me laugh.

How in the world can "Magic Wine" be well-documented??

This is like claiming a Magician actually did something.

If Jesus did live and was a Magician he never did turn water into wine.

And further, Only the author of gJohn claimed Jesus turned water into wine.

The Water-to-Wine Magic Trick is unattested in the very Canon.

It is one of the least documented magical tricks if Jesus was NOT God the Creator, the maker of heaven and earth.

Toto · 10-17-2012, 01:03 AM

aa5874 - do you seriously think I claimed that the miracle of turning water into wine was well documented?

The non-miraculous production and consumption of wine is well documented.

Sheshbazzar · 10-17-2012, 07:10 AM

Yeah? well if there is no arguing going on, someone has to try to cause some.

sotto voce · 10-17-2012, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by youngalexander

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"The people in the Bible thought the wine grape was magic because it was a solid that turned into a liquid and ..."

Really?

In Boulder, Colo., they think so. But where the hell is that?

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10-16-2012, 04:51 PM	#2
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	I'm going for the obvious answer - 'Jesus juice.'

10-16-2012, 09:11 PM	#4
No Robots Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Edmonton Posts: 5,679

10-16-2012, 09:43 PM	#5
proudfootz Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Left Coast Posts: 77	It may be the desire to get a buzz on spurred the rise of agriculture and civilization: http://www.history.com/news/did-beer...e-and-politics And yes, there was beer in Israel: http://www.bibbiablog.com/2010/09/16...es-drink-beer/

10-17-2012, 01:03 AM	#8
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	aa5874 - do you seriously think I claimed that the miracle of turning water into wine was well documented? The non-miraculous production and consumption of wine is well documented.

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Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Yeah? well if there is no arguing going on, someone has to try to cause some.

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