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Old 01-09-2005, 03:12 AM   #81
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Molly Mac, give me the mathematical computations of me and my husband.
Why should she, when you haven't even guessed my sun sign?

But I'll take pity on you and make it a bit easier. I'm not a Libra, a Virgo or a Leo. There, now you have a 1 in 9 chance of guessing correctly, instead of a 1 in 12.
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Just because I believe in astrology doesn't mean I am an astrologist. So when a total stranger asks me an astro based question, I have to look into my collection of my study of astrology which again i basically use for myself. When i guess on a sun sign, it will back up to similarities of someone who has been in my life for many years.
Q of S- As a previous astrology buff, can you think of one piece of information you came across regarding astrology that really sticks out????
I am trying to illicit this info before i do. If you don't know this info I'm looking for, I'm still interested to find out if there is something that really struck you.
Molly Mac- Your math computation concerning birthdays and a room full of people, an astrology based answer to that is; That number should be low, for people with the same birthdays should end up in close proximity. My Godmother's best friend is one day older or younger than her. God is not a fool and influence comes from other planets, as does where one is born, therefore everyone with the same birthday will not be at the same place.

Am I right to assume the majority of you are seeing my hypocracy in how i can believe in free will and not coincidence? For then I would be merely suspended on a string awaiting my life to come to me?

Ah, sorry if I can't emit due time to this forum. My family does take priority.
Plus I work nights 4 nights a week. I take cover under nothing, but priority and time management are very important to me. if something has to be shifted out, yeah, it's going to be here. I still have to get back to researching england's b-day.
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Ah, sorry if I can't emit due time to this forum. My family does take priority.
Good on you, family is really what it's all about.
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...I work nights 4 nights a week. I take cover under nothing, but priority and time management are very important to me. if something has to be shifted out, yeah, it's going to be here. I still have to get back to researching england's b-day.
I hope it goes well and the pressures don't get too much. Sorry for almost derailing the thread!
I'm still scratching my head at 'england's b-day'. As a historian there really is no answer in astrological terms, so I'll just close with- obviously it is Astrology, and I love a good laugh. But hello again, there were no ad hominems and I think you would do better if you thought about how to design your tests/polls in a more logical way. I really urge you to look at the real history of astrology- not what astrologers write. That would be a good place to start and look up Conan Doyle's famous observation on coincidence in Sherlock Holmes. There, that should be enough homework for a while.
But please keep posting.
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Molly Mac- Your math computation concerning birthdays and a room full of people, an astrology based answer to that is; That number should be low, for people with the same birthdays should end up in close proximity. My Godmother's best friend is one day older or younger than her. God is not a fool and influence comes from other planets, as does where one is born, therefore everyone with the same birthday will not be at the same place.
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How convenient - a reply to fit every possible eventuality. The only problem is that it's a load of crap. Sorry but it is obvious that you take all this stuff far too seriously. At best it is an absolute waste of time. At worst it's potentially dangerous, as I said in an earlier post.
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Am I right to assume the majority of you are seeing my hypocracy in how i can believe in free will and not coincidence? For then I would be merely suspended on a string awaiting my life to come to me?
Nobody has accused you of hypocrisy. Where did you even get that idea? Please try not to read things into our posts that simply aren't there!

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Ah, sorry if I can't emit due time to this forum. My family does take priority. Plus I work nights 4 nights a week. I take cover under nothing, but priority and time management are very important to me. if something has to be shifted out, yeah, it's going to be here. I still have to get back to researching england's b-day.
Thank you for your explanation - in the circumstances it is quite right that this board should come bottom of your priorities. If I may make a suggestion, don't waste time researching England's birthday - it doesn't exist. Please trust the three of us who have now said this. I would appreciate the URL of the site you found this on, if you have it. But far more importantly, please, please explain the purpose of your short survey!
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2. What is the worst thing that's ever happened to you?
3. How do you currently feel about this life event?
4. What is the best thing that's ever happened to you?
5. How do you currently feel about this life event?
Both good things and bad things have happened to me, and it's hard for me to rate them in that fashion.

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1. What is your sun sign?
Guess. Try working backwards from my personality. And make guesses from the personalities of the others here. As QoS has noted, that strategy ought to work if astrology is correct. And one might even be able to decide what truth there is in the various flavors of astrology.

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To me there is no other way to prove astrology other than seeing it in my own life.
Is astrology supposed to be some sort of religion?

And why not look at "real" astronomy and what it's been able to do?

The planet Uranus was discovered in 1781 by British astronomer William Herschel, who had been looking for comets; he found a "comet" and eventually discovered that it was moving in a planetlike orbit twice the size of Saturn's orbit.

In the early 19th cy., the French astronomer Urbain Jean Joseph Leverrier was working out how well he could account for the planets' motions with Newtonian mechanics, complete with the gravitational pulls of the planets on each other. He found some discrepancies in Uranus's motion; it speeded up, then slowed down over the years.

He concluded from this that there was an undiscovered planet beyond Uranus. Which was found in 1846 by two astronomers working from Leverrier's calculations; it is the planet Neptune.

Likewise, in 1844, German astronomer Friedrich Wilhelm Bessel concluded from its wobbly path that the star Sirius has an object orbiting around it. Which was discovered in 1862 by American astronomer Alvan Clark; Sirius B, as it's now known, is much fainter than Sirius A.

Now have astrologers discovered anything comparable to Neptune and Sirius B? If their predictions were not working out correctly, they ought to have been able to find the missing celestial influences -- and tell us where to look in the sky for their sources.
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Heurismus...., did your first wife die?
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Heurismus...., did your first wife die?
Um sorry K. The two major emotional crises was my Father and the Second was my partner. I don't believe in marriage unless it's for kids and I have none of them either. But have you done a natal chart?
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When i guess on a sun sign...
"When"? Don't you mean "if"?

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Q of S- As a previous astrology buff, can you think of one piece of information you came across regarding astrology that really sticks out????
Not really. There was no real information that "stuck out", though I still recall that some signs were Fixed and some Mutable, for instance. I also read Linda Goodman's Love Signs, and while I liked some of her poetry, she didn't say anything especially intelligent or enlightened.

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I am trying to illicit this info before i do. If you don't know this info I'm looking for, I'm still interested to find out if there is something that really struck you.
What struck me is how far astrology is removed from reality. For example, I read the revelant sections of the book I mentioned before, and I failed to recognize myself in the descriptions. Moreover, my brother and I were born during the same month, meaning we share a sun sign. Yet he's religious, but I'm not, and he's pacifistic where I'm confrontational. We also have very different tastes in music and literature. That indicates to me that sun signs aren't accurate guides to personality.
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Now have astrologers discovered anything comparable to Neptune and Sirius B?
Linda Goodman is convinced that there are two undiscovered planets out there - Pan-Horus, which supposedly relates to Taureans, and Vulcan, where Mr. Spock comes from. OK, I was kidding about that last part. Vulcan is the Virgos' planet.
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debating astrology would take about as much time as it would to debate the existence of God or lack there of in this forum. So here i go a little at a time.
For starters i believe if it exists, it surely has a purpose, size and distance does not matter.
The moon controls the tides and when the moon is full, driving habits.
then surely the moon has other influences on life. As sure so too do the other planets.
Actually, you're wrong.

If astrology has any reliable predictive power, an astrologer should be able to "predict" past events without prior knowledge. Ie: Do my chart in 2005 as if it were actually 2003 and predict how 2004 turned out for me. Did I get married? Have a child? Change jobs? Travel outside the country?

It's a challenge I've issued to every astrologer I've ever met, one which none of them has ever been able to pass.

astrology=bullshit.

The only value I've ever found in it is that the sun signs are a pretty decent shorthand reference for various personality types.
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