Koyaanisqatsi

Don't pretend to be a critical thinker, Phoenix, because you've already been "found out."

A "relatively lowely position" that nonetheless has the power of the death sentence.

Got it.

Fearing a rebellion and appeasing a crowd by murdering an innocent man to prevent one are two entirely different concepts, Phoenix so until you acknowledge you understand that one does not equate with the other there's no point in continuing this.

:banghead:

If Caesar decrees something to be a part of Roman Law (such as, "You shall have no King but Caesar" and this is considered a criminal act) then any trial where a ruling is concerned on Roman Law would necessarily incorporate this crime, yes?

So when Pilate officially and publicly rules that he can find no Roman crime committed by Jesus, what is he declaring? Did Pilate just forget that it was a Roman crime to claim allegiance to another King?

It is a perfectly valid and legitimate and pertinent question to ask that you still refuse to address.

Our posts stand as they are and anyone who cares to judge "victory" can clearly do so for themselves. I could give a fuck. I know the account as depicted could not possibly have taken place on any level; only you adamantly refuse to address the incongruities and downright contradictory (not to mention ridiculous) events as written, so that's your cross to bear.

Now please whine some more about how you're the victim and have addressed all the points, etc., because, again, everyone here can just use the scroll bar as well to see you have not.

:huh:

Amaleq13

I don't see how they are similar since no framing or threat of false charges were involved. Causing one's subjects to riot by placing offending standards is not something likely to be looked upon favorably by Caesar. Likewise, murdering an entire crowd to quash a riot or allowing the people to prevent a public improvement project would not be looked upon favorably by Caesar.

None of these suggest that we should assume that Caesar would take the unsubstantiated word of a group of Jews over that of Pilate.

The Synoptic Gospels depict Pilate engaging in behavior that would get him in trouble with Caesar (executing an innocent while freeing a convict) because he was afraid of being falsely accused of engaging in behavior that would get him in trouble with Caesar. That is simply not credible as history and the examples you've offered don't seem to me to change that appearance.

Phoenix From Ashes

Grrr...I just typed up a nice long reply to spin's analysis of the Josephan account, among other things, that would have (again) address Koy's concerns and Ameleq's and then blew it all away with an accidental keypress! Blast it!

Oh well, I'm sure you're all on the edge of your seats for my reply (that's sarcasm, by the way), but I don't feel like trying to type it all up again, and I likely won't find the time to address the issues again until some quiet time this weekend.

spin

I've had this sort of thing happen to me a few times, so I've taken to copying anything that starts to get long into a text editor (Notepad) as good practice. I get this bell that goes off when I feel that losing the text would cost too much to rewrite.

(And ironically enough, when I had written this the computer mysteriously shut itself down, I guess because of a power surge (my UPS fried itself recently), so I thought I was up for rewriting the above, but fortunately the browser had kept it all in its cache, offering to return to the previous session when I started it up, so I was lucky.)


spin

Doug Shaver

To suck up to Roman authorities by showing that Christians considered the Jews to be hypocritical scumbags.

spin

Being Jewish in the half century after the Jewish War was not popular in Roman circles. Simeon Bar-Kochba helped aggravate this unpopularity. Christianity was a Jewish offshoot, which would put christians in a difficult position with the Romans, so distancing christians from Jews should be an understandable thing to do.

It's also probable that after the Jewish "conference" at Yavneh, which set the road to Jewish orthodoxy, satellite positions such as messianism would have been discouraged, ie they would have pulled the plug on christianity. Pulling the plug on the Jewish connection would be a logic response.

So I must concur with Doug's summation.


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