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credoconsolans · 01-14-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

BULL ....NECK!

Actually it may have been a goiter. Many people suffered from that affliction at the time, and some images of gods and goddesses from earlier times reflect that, so why not Jesus?

Sheshbazzar · 01-14-2013, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by credoconsolans

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

BULL ....NECK!

Actually it may have been a goiter. Many people suffered from that affliction at the time, and some images of gods and goddesses from earlier times reflect that, so why not Jesus?

Yeah, and some ancient idols and people had rods driven through their heads and the images from earlier times reflect that.
So you think this realistic goitered Jebus must have really walked around with all of that likewise realistically depicted hardware protruding from his noggin?

jakejonesiv · 01-14-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

Or at least that was the original claim of the earliest Christians for which we have any information. I almost feel like I am developing a creed for mythicists but that's not true. But the point isn't whether we think it is possible for a supernatural being or a god to have existence. The point is pin pointing what the original claim was, and I have done that here.

Whether or not you accept the Marcionite or 'heretical' claims about Jesus or the early proto-Catholic understanding about a god born to a woman or a god born to a virgin, in the words of Michael Jackson - this is it! Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing more to talk about.

Yes

Chili · 01-14-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

Or at least that was the original claim of the earliest Christians for which we have any information. I almost feel like I am developing a creed for mythicists but that's not true. But the point isn't whether we think it is possible for a supernatural being or a god to have existence. The point is pin pointing what the original claim was, and I have done that here.

Whether or not you accept the Marcionite or 'heretical' claims about Jesus or the early proto-Catholic understanding about a god born to a woman or a god born to a virgin, in the words of Michael Jackson - this is it! Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing more to talk about.

Except the color gold is wrong for him as the halo was not his or he would not have a beard.

mountainman · 01-14-2013, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

oh yes it is so unreasonable to be interested by Marcion.

It is neither unreasonable to be interested by Constantine & Eusebius or by Marcion. Manuscript or epigraphic evidence could be discovered tomorrow morning that unambiguously substantiates a Marcionite community in the 2nd or 3rd century. Ditto for Bullneck and his scriptorium geeks.

One of the main points I'd like to see you discuss about Marcion is the use of the chrestos term instead of the christos term in the extant presumed Marcionite inscription that has been dated to the 4th century. How do you view the chrestos/christos breakfast in the sources, and how and why does Marcion fit in with the Chrestos preservers?

http://stephanhuller.blogspot.com.au...-deir-ali.html

And weren't they called Mahican?

outhouse · 01-14-2013, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

oh yes it is so unreasonable to be interested by Marcion.

Totally useless for anything related to a historical Jesus.

stephan huller · 01-14-2013, 11:17 PM

Sure just like trying to affair to make sure you really love your wife. Totally useless. Or trying some Singapore Fried Vermicelli to decide whether you really think Italian food is your favorite. Idiotic.

mountainman · 01-14-2013, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

oh yes it is so unreasonable to be interested by Marcion.

Totally useless for anything related to a historical Jesus.

What if they're both fictional?

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Originally Posted by Woody Allen

If Jesus Christ came back today and saw what was being
done in his name, he'd never stop throwing up.

mountainman · 01-15-2013, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

Totally useless. Idiotic.

Starting again.

This may be relevant :

scott bailey on acts 1:9-11 (astronaut jesus’ ascencion into heaven) and why it’s important.

Lugubert · 01-15-2013, 03:18 AM

When I first saw the thread title, I thought that it might be fun to list all examples in the Bible of what we at science's present standpoint must regard as supernatural.

Resurrections, space travel, astronomical anomalies, ...

But I soon realized that such a list would be almost as large as the Bible itself.

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stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Sure just like trying to affair to make sure you really love your wife. Totally useless. Or trying some Singapore Fried Vermicelli to decide whether you really think Italian food is your favorite. Idiotic.

01-15-2013, 03:18 AM	#30
Lugubert Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Western Sweden Posts: 3,684	When I first saw the thread title, I thought that it might be fun to list all examples in the Bible of what we at science's present standpoint must regard as supernatural. Resurrections, space travel, astronomical anomalies, ... But I soon realized that such a list would be almost as large as the Bible itself.

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