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avi · 10-18-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

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The online free dictionaries didn't work because you entered teknon instead of τεκνο.

Thank you Toto, MUCH APPRECIATED. Umm, the reference you kindly cited, at the link in your post, equates "teknon" with Strong's number 5043. Interestingly, your reference inserts a Greek "NU" in between the "e" and the "k", so this noun is evidently spelled, "tenknon", or perhaps the Nu symbol represents a pronunciation guide?
Thank you for pointing out the non-sequitur feature, I became so lost among the trees, I had forgotten about the forest.

Toto · 10-18-2008, 08:26 AM

I think what looks like a Greek NU is supposed to be a rising accent.

Newton's Cat · 10-18-2008, 05:48 PM

Mark 1, 35

And rising up very early in the night he went out and went away to a desert place and there prayed.

The continuation was:

Mark 1,40

And comes to him a leper ...

Verses 36-39 were interpolated into the text by the 2nd author.

This type of thing goes on all the way through Mark ... including in the crucifixion scene.

Who was it on the cross?

Mark 16,21

And they "impress into service as a messenger" (aggareuousin) a certain Simon, a Cyrenian coming from that country, the father of Alexander and RUFUS, and they bring him to Golgotha, and they gave him wine spiced with myrrh (a soporific), and they crucified him. And they put a sign on him THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Next morning

And the ones passing by blasphemed him ...

The Jews thought that the crucified body on the cross was Jesus - but Jesus was dining with Pontius Pilate.

Mark 16, 16

Then the soldiers led him away inside the praetorium, and they all gathered together and put a purple robe on Jesus and saluted him "Hail King of the Jews!"

The whole damn thing was a play!

Something of a comedy ....

Simon bar Kochba, the leader of the Jewish revolt in 132, was carrying on a conflict which began in Cyrene in 116. Simon was declared to be the "Messiah". After his death his son RUFUS carried on the fight for a further couple of years.

So - the play ends with the Jewish "Messiah" - the only actually recorded, historical Jewish Messiah, being crucified.

I bet the audience found this PLAY highly amusing.

spamandham · 10-18-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Newton's Cat

Verses 36-39 were interpolated into the text by the 2nd author.

This needs some kind of support independent of your hypothesis; a style difference, or some other clue that 36-39 are an insert. It isn't enough simply to remove them and say what's left over reads like a comical play.

Clivedurdle · 10-19-2008, 01:22 PM

From Amazon link above

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Mark is not history, April 15, 2001
By Perry Willis (Tucson, AZ USA) - See all my reviews

Greco-Roman students were taught to compose texts through a process called mimesis. This involved copying and transforming Greek classics such as the Illiad and the Odyssey into new stories. There are many examples of this, from plays to epic poems to novels and shorter works. The Gospel of Mark was written in Greek. It is therefore, natural to ask, was Mark composed through mimesis?It turns out that it was. Nearly every event in Mark is a sequential reflection of either the Illiad or the Odyssey, but with a twist. The author of Mark has retold Greek stories in order to demonstrate the superiority of Jesus to the Greek heroes. Thus, wherever a Greek hero failed Jesus succeeds. MacDonald also demonstrates that a similar process can be found in the Book of Acts and the non-biblical Acts of Andrew.
Mark was not writing history, he was writing propaganda. Moreover, he apparently did this with no intention to deceive. He left clues in his work designed to point readers to the source of his themes. Have you ever wondered why Jesus cursed a fig tree for failing to bear fruit, even though it was out of season? Have you ever pondered who the young man was who ran away naked when Jesus was arrested? The answer to both mysteries is that they were flags indicating to the reader that the author was drawing his plot devices from the epic.

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10-18-2008, 08:26 AM	#22
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	I think what looks like a Greek NU is supposed to be a rising accent.

10-18-2008, 05:48 PM	#23
Newton's Cat Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,181	Mark 1, 35 And rising up very early in the night he went out and went away to a desert place and there prayed. The continuation was: Mark 1,40 And comes to him a leper ... Verses 36-39 were interpolated into the text by the 2nd author. This type of thing goes on all the way through Mark ... including in the crucifixion scene. Who was it on the cross? Mark 16,21 And they "impress into service as a messenger" (aggareuousin) a certain Simon, a Cyrenian coming from that country, the father of Alexander and RUFUS, and they bring him to Golgotha, and they gave him wine spiced with myrrh (a soporific), and they crucified him. And they put a sign on him THE KING OF THE JEWS. Next morning And the ones passing by blasphemed him ... The Jews thought that the crucified body on the cross was Jesus - but Jesus was dining with Pontius Pilate. Mark 16, 16 Then the soldiers led him away inside the praetorium, and they all gathered together and put a purple robe on Jesus and saluted him "Hail King of the Jews!" The whole damn thing was a play! Something of a comedy .... Simon bar Kochba, the leader of the Jewish revolt in 132, was carrying on a conflict which began in Cyrene in 116. Simon was declared to be the "Messiah". After his death his son RUFUS carried on the fight for a further couple of years. So - the play ends with the Jewish "Messiah" - the only actually recorded, historical Jewish Messiah, being crucified. I bet the audience found this PLAY highly amusing.

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