outhouse

wrong

paul himself states he went out and hunted then down like dogs

aa5874

You have confirmed that the Pauline claims are NOT corroborated by any source in the NT Canon.

Paul claim some kind of non-existing Myth God revealed a Son to him and that he IMMEDIATELY consulted with Mythological entities.

Galatians 1 The Pauline writer was in Contact with Mythological entities when he was called to preach the story of the Revealed Jesus.

Toto

No one can follow Chili.

Adam

You post so much I guess you have forgotten that you complain about my inclusion of too much, not too little. That is, whenever you're not trying to suppress my posts altogether.

DCHindley

I usually follow Chili with a beer.

DCH

Sheshbazzar

I don't suppress your posts. I cannot suppress your posts. It is not even within my ability to suppress your posts.
And for several reasons, I wouldn't 'suppress' your posts even if it were within my power to do so.

I do however CHALLENGE your theory and the faulty readings and unsupportable assertions that you must resort to, and that your theory totally depends upon.

Anyone here that is at all familiar with your huge blocks of mutilated, 'cut and pasted' texts, are aware that you do selectively omit whatever of these texts that does not fit in with, or that you find to be inconvenient to your theories.
So it is neither a matter of 'too much' nor of 'too little', but of your selectively and strategically omitting content so as to present a misrepresented, stripped, and decontextualized, distorted readings of these texts.
Your claims about the origins of these texts have invariably been nothing but 'perhaps's', 'may have been's', and 'possiblie's', concluded with bald assertions of being fact, made without any evidence and without any proofs.

Returning to the OP topic, the only -'church's'- that are to be found within The Book of Revelations, is that 'Mother of Whores', and her Whoring daughter -'church's'- of Rev 17-18.
That damned word 'Church' is NOT to be found within the Greek text, and does not belong in any proper translation, 'Tradition' and 'convention' be damned.





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aa5874

There is no evidence of a Jesus cult in the 1st century, No evidence of Jesus cult Churches and no manuscripts have been found with Revelation in the 1st century.

The earliest source to mention Revelation by John was Justin Martyr in the mid 2nd century.

Revelation by John was most likely written After the short gMark which was probably composed after the Life of Flavius Josephus c 96-100 CE.

Duvduv

Since I have started only recently to take a look at the Book of Revelation I can only say that I am impressed by the fact that after the first chapter the name of Jesus only appears 3 or 4 times in the remaining 21 chapters, and the word "church" almost never appears again after the third chapter.

I guess it is worth examining as a text that originally had nothing to do with Christianity and then had the first chapter added to Christianize it. And given the prominence of the so-called seven "churches" (if that is the term that the text originally used), then presumably Christians should take note of the fact that the only canonical epistle of "Paul" that is included among the list of these communities is Ephesus.

If they were so important, dare we ask, then why do they not have any significance among the writings of "Paul"?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_churches_of_Asia
Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7) - the church that had forsaken its first love (2:4).
(Where does Ephesians talk about this?)
Smyrna (Revelation 2:8-11) - the church that would suffer persecution (2:10).
Pergamum (Revelation 2:12-17) - the church that needed to repent (2:16).
Thyatira (Revelation 2:18-29) - the church that had a false prophetess (2:20).
Sardis (Revelation 3:1-6) - the church that had fallen asleep (3:2).
Philadelphia (Revelation 3:7-13) - the church that had endured patiently (3:10).
Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22) - the church that was lukewarm and insipid (to God)(3:16).

Clivedurdle

Isn't Revelation originally a Jewish work?

Bernard Muller

Here I have my analysis of Revelation, where I showed most of it was written (truly) right after 70, but actually the author pretended he wrote it earlier (during the rule of Galba). That Revelation was 100% Jewish.
Then Christian stuff (mainly the letters to the seven churches) was added up much later (after John turned Christian), but when Jesus was still supposed to come soon.
http://historical-jesus.info/rjohn.html
Papias seems to have known about Revelation. Justin Martyr did for sure. Also Papias had known (or pretended to have known) presbyter John (not to be confused with John the fisherman) the most likely author of Revelation.
Cordially, Bernard