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01-06-2008, 06:33 PM | #11 |
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The writers understood their own grammar when they wrote
"And God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness."The word for said is singular as are all references to )LHYM in Gen 1. However, in Ex 18:11 Now I know that the YHWH is greater than all gods [)LHYM])LHYM is clearly indicated as plural. And with plural verb, in Ex 32:23, Make us gods [)LHYM], which shall go before usThere can be no doubt that in Gen 1:26 )LHYM is singular. That of course is not the end of the story, for everyone will want to know why the rest of 1:26 is in the plural. And no its not the royal plural. If we look at one of the more interesting psalms, ps82, we find (v.1) God [)LHYM] has taken his place in the assembly of El)LHYM is used here both as singular and plural and that was no problem for the writer. But the psalm is more interesting. We have a divine assembly presided over by El (this is usually hidden by some faulty translation). )LHYM is a member of the assembly along with the other )LHYM. Hidden at the edges of Jewish literature is a council of gods. Look at Deut 32:8-9, 8 When the most high apportioned the nations,Again YHWH is one amongst a number of gods, a son of El. (The translation "sons of El" is from 4QDeutJ; LXX has "angels of god"; MT has "sons of Israel".) In the abuse against the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14, we find v.13, You said in your heart,Zaphon, which has come to be used to mean "north" in Hebrew, is the name of the mountain above Ugarit where the assembly of El met. The Jews tended to idealize Mt Zion, the home of YHWH, as the sides of Zaphon, the "sides of the north" (see ps48:2). We've seen elsewhere that Marduk slew Tiamat, the watery chaos dragon; but Baal slew Yamm, the unruly sea, and, having done so, rose on the clouds to Mt Zaphon, the place of the assembly of El (just as the one like a son of man rose on the clouds to the place of the ancient of days, ie El, Dan 7:13). When we see )LHYM as a member of the assembly of El, then there is no problem understanding him saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.")LHYM is one of the assembly of the sons of El. However, it is highly probable by the time Gen 1 was written that the assembly of El had been fossilized with the god of Israel taking the place of El through syncretism and that the original idea of making man in "our image" came from the source material and the Jews would have read "our" as referring to the members of the court of YHWH, ie his angels. That is certainly how later Jews understood it when they rewrote the material for Jubilees (a book told to Moses by an angel). spin |
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That's Spanish. It doesn't accurately reflect the lingustic phenomena of the 14th or 4th century BCE.
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Thanks spin. Could it be, that Elohim in Gen. 1 was originally plural, but the verbs were later adapted to fit the developing singular theology?
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Marduk was only one of many "gods" in the Enuma Elish; there were the primordial "gods" (probably astral deities - sun moon planets stars) and there were the Anunnaki "those from Heaven to Earth came."
Not only did he slay the watery monster Tiamat, but he was also the "founder of the assembly of the gods" which seems a rather clear parallel (origin?) of the Hebrew divine council. |
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And so this is the "original material" spin and I are referencing. |
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