thentian

Here you go, the original Easter Challenge!

Note that what we have been discussing all along is dr lazer blasts "first draft" of his solution. We have yet to see a final version with all the details.

aChristian

Thank you.

Doug Shaver

And I explained to you why they do not comply with Barker's conditions.

angelo

How on earth can you deny that there are dozens of contradictions in the NT?
Have you actually read the thing?
Why is it that only one gospel states that there was a great earthquake, and rocks were split in two, and the tombs of the dead were opened and corpses arose and walked the streets of Jerusalem and were seen by many.
Wouldn't something so miraculous rate a mention in other historical writings like Josephus etc.
Mark, the first gospel to be written is silent on the matter and his gospel finishes simply by stating that the tomb was empty when some women went there to anoint the corpse. :banghead:

aChristian

Not mentioning one of the events is not a contradiction.

thentian

You are perfectly correct, it isn't!

However, this is avoiding the question: Why didn't Mark mention these events? He was the first to write a gospel and could not know that others would do the same. What does it mean to say that Mark was "inspired" if Mark leaves out huge parts of what happened on that day, the most important day of christianity? It would be more than two hundred years until the other gospels was assembled in the NT, after all. Don't you think it is a little contradictory to say that Mark (for example) was inspired, and then go on to say that he didn't think events like these were worthy of mention?

gregor

Stop the inaccurate revisionist history. Write the single narrative with all details, omitting none. Then defend the story. You haven't and neither did sschlicter.

aChristian

No it answered the question. There is no contradiction.
As for the fanciful ideas of when the gospels were written, I believe the evidence shows they were all written sometime between about 35 and 65AD. The liberal 'scholarship' I have seen and the claims I have read on this website are nonsense with no evidence to back them up. But even if these late dates were correct, as you already agreed, there is no contradiction.

Mark is inspired because God gave him the words to write. It doesn't matter if God gave Mark one word or a treatise the size of Encyclopaedia Britannica, it is still inspired. I think God does a much better job of including what he deems necessary in the accounts than anyone on this website.

So that said, Barker's challenge has been answered multiple times to anyone who wants to take the time to click to the web pages I gave. As I already said, anyone who doesn't see that it is answered by these, doesn't want to know the truth.

Craigart14

Look at the evidence in the Bible itself. Jesus has three different sets of last words. Judas Iscariot died in two quite different ways. Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contain two different accounts of creation with a different order of creation in each one. God's instructions to Noah change in just a few verses. These are contradictions. Either Jesus said "It is accomplished," and died, or her said "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" and died, or he said, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit," and died. All three accounts cannot be true. You may say that these are different accounts by different witnesses, so they cannot be expected to agree, but that answer shows that these accounts are the work of men, not God. Judas Iscariot either thew the thirty pieces of silver into the temple or he used them to buy a field. He either hanged himself or fell down and had his bowels split open. Different men wrote different versions of how Judas was punished because they didn't, in fact, know how or even if he was punished; they just knew that the betrayer of Jesus SHOULD BE punished. God told Noah to take one pair of each kind of animal onto the ark, then a few verses later told him to take seven pairs of each kind of clean animal, seven pairs of each kind of bird, and only one pair of each kind of unclean animal. Both sets of instructions cannot be true. In Genesis 1, God created man last, "male and female he created them." In Genesis 2, God created Adam, THEN the animals, and then Eve, but only after searching among all the animals for a partner for Adam. The two versions contradict each other; both cannot be true. They are different; there's no way around it.

These are only a few examples. They are clear contradictions. Comparing different Bible verses is not taking them "out of context." It is not rationalization. Rationalization would be something like what one of my students once said:" Well, maybe Judas hanged himself and the rope broke and he fell down and his belly split open." Yeah, right. And maybe he invested the thirty pieces of silver in the stock market by day trading on his computer, bought a field with the interest, and threw the principal into the temple. Or maybe, just maybe, some true believers, perhaps very sincere true believers, made these stories up. Naah . . . .

Craig

angelo

If as you claim god inspired the babble I would think they would all be exactly the same with not one iota of diference between them all.
That they aren't proves that they are inspired by humans not any god who been all seeing would have pre-knowledge of the confusion they caused.

And you are wrong with your dating of the gospels as well.
The majority of trusted scholars date Mark at around 60ce, Mathew 60-70ce, Luke 70-90ce and John as late as 110 ce.

Pauls are the earliest christian writings, and their dated to around 50ce, 20 years after the supposed life of Jesus. 20 years for the legend to grow into an unbelievable tale only taken seriously by theists.