Amos

But I don't deny that pain has a purpose. All our senses have a purpose and we go by them, as we must, for at least as long as our body is mortal and our brain can be fooled.

Peter Kirby

Yes. Julius Africanus in the early third century, in the quote given above, objects to some statement that he characterizes as saying that the darkness at the crucifixion was during an eclipse of the sun, saying, "And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse be supposed to happen when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun?" I haven't looked at ancient astronomical works, but my guess is that such knowledge reflected in Julius Africanus could be found centuries before Christ.

best,
Peter Kirby

Amos

I make a distinction between Judaism as an -ism and Jews who describe to it and here Juda-ism received the black-out.

Amos

Don't be fooled by modern science. If people in those days could write a book that has the world chasing a rainbow for thousands of years to come they sure would know what an eclipse was.

RED DAVE

From Amos:I assume you mean Jews who ascribe to it. Now, back then there was no real distinction between the Jewish people and followers of the Jewish religion. (Atheists were rather scarce back then.)

Frankly, without getting into accusation, I find your obscurantism frequently skirting the edge.

RED DAVE

Devilnaut

"So, now omniscience accumulates?? . . . . nevermind."


Of course it does, otherwise how could we have creation?


Omniscience is more like a key than a new room.


Or I should rather say, it's more like a key than knowledge of what all the rooms hold...

Peter Kirby

Amos said: "I make a distinction between Judaism as an -ism and Jews who describe to it and here Juda-ism received the black-out."

Red Dave: "I assume you mean Jews who ascribe to it."

Ooooh, that peeves me. It's subscribe.

best,
Peter Kirby

Amos

Oops sorry. Who subscribe to it.

Amos

You're welcome to follow me around Dave but for your own good, don't be so paranoid about antisemitism.

But there were pagans and the point here is that Judaism, the religion itself as it once was the source of inspiration in the mind of crucified, was left abandonned and therefore the darkness came.

It is just a metaphor for total abandonment. I.e. the house was empty and there is no one to see the sun shine coming in and the house was empty because Jesus had gone to the netherworld of his subconscious mind.

Amos

. . . and creation generates and regenerates.