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Old 06-30-2009, 12:52 PM   #41
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I asked HOW long after. A specific time-frame is needed here, please.
Now, I am not suggesting that Jesus actually sat down and wrote it with a pen. I propose a theory that states that Jesus was ascended to Heaven (which the disciples WITNESSED), and then the Gospels were instantaneously in existence around the surrounding areas where Jesus lived. This is how they got to be believed so easily.

To illustrate a point, let's say that someone, (we will call him "Mark" for the sake of argument), was writing his gospel one day. Wouldn't people who NOTICED "Mark" writing his Gospel get a group of people together and go "Look at all these lies "Mark" is making up! What an IDIOTIC FOOL! Where is this Jesus the Christ healing the sick, turning water in wine, walking on water, and rising from the dead?!?!?!?!" Would this not be reasonable to say? After all, we all know Harry Potter is fiction because we can SEE J.K. Rowling writing the stories!

Can you tell me how "Mark" would have gotten away with writing his Gospel with tons of people around to see him MAKING STUFF UP OUT OF THIN AIR?!?!? Unless you argue "Mark" was the only person to exist at this time? :huh:


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Thank you for answering this one. Why isn't the exact date in the bible? If Jesus wrote the gospels, why didn't he note down the year of his resurrection?
Because that would be way too much proof of his divinity. Jesus still wants people to have faith. 68% proof is better than 32% proof.
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:01 PM   #42
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Now, I am not suggesting that Jesus actually sat down and wrote it with a pen. I propose a theory that states that Jesus was ascended to Heaven (which the disciples WITNESSED), and then the Gospels were instantaneously in existence around the surrounding areas where Jesus lived. This is how they got to be believed so easily.

So you start out with a paragraph that starts with a human flying out of the clouds. sorry i can't get past that without laughing silly. Did he fly like Magneto or Superman? Magneto stands upright and superman with a fist in front. :rolling:

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To illustrate a point, let's say that someone, (we will call him "Mark" for the sake of argument), was writing his gospel one day. Wouldn't people who NOTICED "Mark" writing his Gospel get a group of people together and go "Look at all these lies "Mark" is making up! What an IDIOTIC FOOL! Where is this Jesus the Christ healing the sick, turning water in wine, walking on water, and rising from the dead?!?!?!?!" Would this not be reasonable to say? After all, we all know Harry Potter is fiction because we can SEE J.K. Rowling writing the stories!
Where do you get these silly arguments. People never write in private in your world i guess the world where zombies fly. Ya thats reality uhuh sure it is.

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Can you tell me how "Mark" would have gotten away with writing his Gospel with tons of people around to see him MAKING STUFF UP OUT OF THIN AIR?!?!? Unless you argue "Mark" was the only person to exist at this time? :huh:
Its a comic book used for enetertainment of bronze age sheep herders. Noboby has a problem with fiction writers at the time. Now 2000 years from now when Harry potter is worshipped people can ask the same question. You really need to watch life of brian.



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Because that would be way too much proof of his divinity. Jesus still wants people to have faith. 68% proof is better than 32% proof.
Except you have 0% proof. :rolling: Why is it theist always no matter what religion say gods cant show us proof because it would ruin divinity, yet those very same gods had no problem showing up making water into wine, flying out of the sky to give Mark the gospels, and walking around as a desecated corpse but of course magically fresh as a daisy. Thats all your bronze age superhero did was prove, prove, prove... then he died and nobody has heard from him since despite his promise to return within a generation.:constern01:
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SM is onto something (in addition to being on something). I think it's also a mistake to attribute the story of the tortoise and the hare to Aesop. How could Aesop have witnessed this race when only the tortoise and hare were there? Either the tortoise or the hare (or both) must be the true author...or perhaps they dictated to Aesop since everyone knows that animals can't hold a pen.
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Jesus is more of a superhero who became a zombie. Since becoming a zombie he hasn't done shit.
Which would mean this is what is known in the biz as a comic book death. Either the canonical writers or the fanfic writers want to bring the character back to life so they have to come up with some absurd mechanism to justify it. It wasn't I who died; it was my clone! I was sleeping comfortably elsewhere. Twas not I who died! Twas my alternate reality version! It was me who died, fortunately Life-Man arrived just in time! Apropos for this tangent is this blog post on why religion is like fanfic.

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What? No, if it's 'just made up' then we can know everything about it becaues it only exists in our made-up.
If it's part of reality, then we need to use a scientific (or substitute) approach to figure out how it works, what causes it, what color it is, what implications...
Jesus would not have been green or discolored in any way. You are essentially saying that:

"God, in his infinite wisdom, could create the entire universe and planets and souls, but can't figure out a way to make Jesus stop from turning green after about 36 hours in the tomb." :huh:
Who are you to tell God how to do things? Maybe he wanted a green zombie Jesus. We have the evidence of such staring us in the face. This picture just fell out of the internets. How would anyone have let the painter get away with PAINTING UP A GREEN ZOMBIE JESUS WHEN IT WASN'T SO?!?!? It all falls into place if you assume Jesus painted and uploaded it.
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Jesus would not have been green or discolored in any way. You are essentially saying that:
I am not. I never said anything, essential or otherwise, about Jesus' status as a zombie or being green.

I addressed your comment that we can't know everything about something we made up. It's actually the opposite. If it's made up, we can know everything there is to know about it (except whether Jesus would beat Superman in a fight. That we can't know until we know who's writing the issue).

You, on the other hand, are basing your entire argument on whether zombies have to be green. IIRC, the ones in Day of the Dead and Shaun of the Dead were just pale.

Then again, if Jesus had been green, it would explain why Thomas and others didn't recognize him on sight...
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You know I really think that Jesus would have to self publish.
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I asked HOW long after. A specific time-frame is needed here, please.
Now, I am not suggesting that Jesus actually sat down and wrote it with a pen. I propose a theory that states that Jesus was ascended to Heaven (which the disciples WITNESSED), and then the Gospels were instantaneously in existence around the surrounding areas where Jesus lived. This is how they got to be believed so easily.

To illustrate a point, let's say that someone, (we will call him "Mark" for the sake of argument), was writing his gospel one day. Wouldn't people who NOTICED "Mark" writing his Gospel get a group of people together and go "Look at all these lies "Mark" is making up! What an IDIOTIC FOOL! Where is this Jesus the Christ healing the sick, turning water in wine, walking on water, and rising from the dead?!?!?!?!" Would this not be reasonable to say? After all, we all know Harry Potter is fiction because we can SEE J.K. Rowling writing the stories!

Can you tell me how "Mark" would have gotten away with writing his Gospel with tons of people around to see him MAKING STUFF UP OUT OF THIN AIR?!?!? Unless you argue "Mark" was the only person to exist at this time? :huh:

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Oddly Jesus often had a rather green, or olive, complexion in the shading of some early Italian Renaissance paintings, maybe they were on to something?


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And in some paintings it looks like zombie Jesus is holding a human heart probably right before eating it.
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And in some paintings it looks like zombie Jesus is holding a human heart probably right before eating it.
WHich puts a nasty spin on 'suffer the little kids to come to me.'

Eugh (shudder).
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