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beallen041 · 11-04-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by archibald

Juan Diego is a very interesting analogy.

Perhaps the most interesting thing about Juan Diego is (as far as I am aware, having only just googled him, you are probably in a position to correct me if necessary) is that the main reason his historicity is doubted is the complete lack of any reports about him for over a hundred years after his death and that the story was unknown to those who read the first written accounts of it. In that sense, there appears to be a distinction between this figure and Jesus. I do accept that the datings in the case of the latter are not as clear, but I am provisionally taking the most likely datings, in which case Jesus appeared to have followers almost immediately. I think this is potentially an interesting difference.

I am curious what dates you assign the texts which you think assert Jesus' existence. Juan Diego's story appears in two sources about once century after his alleged passing. Those sources are well-attested to have been published at that time, so there is no question about when they came out.

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Originally Posted by archibald

Regarding Clark Kent, there is, as far as I am aware, virtually no evidence, and certainly no clear evidence, that anyone in those times believed Jesus was that sort of character, that is to say fictional, but based in part on someone else.

I would disagree.

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Originally Posted by 2 Peter 1:16

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

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Originally Posted by Trypho in Justin Martyr VIII

And you, having accepted a groundless report, invent a Christ for yourselves, and for his sake are inconsiderately perishing.

Seems clear evidence to me that some people believed Jesus was a fiction in antiquity.

Horatio Parker · 11-04-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapyong

Gday,

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Originally Posted by Horatio Parker

The point is, the gospels as evidence are stronger for MJ than HJ. That is aa's point and it's a good one.

Nah - that's not aa's point.
This is aa's point :

You're WASTING your time, and have completely MISSED THE POINT !!!

Jesus is the SON of A GHOST!

It is COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to be real!!!

Why don't you realise that !

;-)

He is an original, no doubt.

aa5874 · 11-04-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapyong

Gday,

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Originally Posted by Horatio Parker

The point is, the gospels as evidence are stronger for MJ than HJ. That is aa's point and it's a good one.

Nah - that's not aa's point.
This is aa's point :

You're WASTING your time, and have completely MISSED THE POINT !!!

Jesus is the SON of A GHOST!

It is COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to be real!!!

Why don't you realise that !

;-)

I DETEST YOUR FALLACIOUS CLAIM.

I WANT TO APOLOGISE IMMEDIATELY FOR KNOWINGLY MAKING SUCH ABSURD AND HIDEOUS REMARK.

I SUGGEST YOU BE BANNED.

I HAVE SIMPLY STATED AND SHOWN THAT THERE IS DATA TO SUPPORT THE MYTH JESUS THEORY IN MATTHEW 1.18-20, LUKE 26-35, JOHN 1, MARK 6.48-49, MARK 9.2, MARK 16.6, ACTS 1.9, GALATIANS 1.1-12 and 1 COR. 15.

Kapyong · 11-04-2011, 03:30 PM

Gdaym,

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Originally Posted by archibald

Hm. I am not sure I even recall the exact circumstances of my comment, I do know I was not addressing your particular hypothesis, but if it helps you, I am willing to amend it to 'not sufficiently persuasive (to me) evidence.' and you can untangle your knickers.

So, when you get caught in a falsehood, you simply claim you don't remember?

E

Kapyong · 11-04-2011, 03:35 PM

Well,
archibald has finally replied, and totally failed to provide any examples.

The final score :

Un-evidenced assumptions of the Jesus Myth Theory
<none>

The matter is resolved in the negative - the JMT does NOT depend on unevidenced assumptions.

K.

Kapyong · 11-04-2011, 03:36 PM

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