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Old 12-03-2008, 07:49 PM   #121
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Dear J-D,

I dont have the article - I do not (next year I intend to) have JSTOR access. Could you or someone with access kindly email the JSTOR article to arius at the domain of mountainman.com.au? Thanks for your response btw - I will certainly read the article if I can get hold of it.

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My impression is that that's not allowed. Sorry.
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So am I.
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I dont have the article

Let me get this straight. You have not read the article you quote, but you still feel justified in making claims about what the author of the article was asserting not only in the quote of the article you gave us, but in the article itself?


And what happened to your promised efforts to determine which of the supposed Pohlsander books on Constantine you found him asserting that there was an association between bishop and spy? Did you ever detrmine not only whether he wrote more than one book on Constantine, as you claimed he did, but where in this alleged other book he made the assertion about "bishop" meaning" "spy" that you claimed he did?

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I dont have the article

Let me get this straight. You have not read the article you quote, but you still feel justified in making claims about what the author of the article was asserting not only in the quote of the article you gave us, but in the article itself?
Dear Jeffrey,

What claims? I made no claims in the article referencing the JSTOR article. The process was like this: (1) I did a google search for instances of the phrase from Ammianus ....... "dotard's superstition". You will then see the JSTOR article in the second listed position with the commentary which I cut and pasted. I dont see how you can assert I have made any claim to anything in any specific sense.

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And what happened to your promised efforts to determine which of the supposed Pohlsander books on Constantine you found him asserting that there was an association between bishop and spy? Did you ever detrmine not only whether he wrote more than one book on Constantine, as you claimed he did, but where in this alleged other book he made the assertion about "bishop" meaning" "spy" that you claimed he did?

Jeffrey

I mentioned in an earlier post my proximity to the library and your proximity to the library are two separate calculable indices, and mine is very meagre. I will get there and I will find the relevant text.

And while we're at it, did you happen to satisfy yourself that in fact there are indeed no (ie: zero) historians who were writing during the epoch of Constantine who are not regarded as part of the "christian authodoxy".

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You still haven't answered the question I asked you, Pete, about your use of the spelling 'authodox'. Is it intended to make a polemical point, or are you simply unaware of the dictionary spelling?
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Let me get this straight. You have not read the article you quote, but you still feel justified in making claims about what the author of the article was asserting not only in the quote of the article you gave us, but in the article itself?
Dear Jeffrey,

What claims? I made no claims in the article referencing the JSTOR article. The process was like this: (1) I did a google search for instances of the phrase from Ammianus ....... "dotard's superstition". You will then see the JSTOR article in the second listed position with the commentary which I cut and pasted. I dont see how you can assert I have made any claim to anything in any specific sense.
What then was your purpose in posting the "quote"? Was it not to "show" that AM "knew" that Christianity was a "recent" creation?

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And what happened to your promised efforts to determine which of the supposed Pohlsander books on Constantine you found him asserting that there was an association between bishop and spy? Did you ever determine not only whether he wrote more than one book on Constantine, as you claimed he did, but where in this alleged other book he made the assertion about "bishop" meaning" "spy" that you claimed he did?

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I mentioned in an earlier post my proximity to the library and your proximity to the library are two separate calculable indices, and mine is very meagre. I will get there and I will find the relevant text.
One does not have to go to a library to find out if Pohlsander wrote more than one book on Constantine.

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I have no idea what "authodoxy" is.

Did you ever find anything that from primary sources demonstrates your claims that Ammianus spoke of a "son of a ghost" or that Asclepius and Asclepians were ascetics, or that Ross had the reputation among his contemporaries of being a good classical scholar, or that Origen translated the Septuagint into Greek, or that supporters of Arius (let alone his enemies) believed that when Arius said ἦν ποτε ὅτε οὐκ ἦν, he was claiming that Constantine had invented Christianity?


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What claims? I made no claims in the article referencing the JSTOR article. The process was like this: (1) I did a google search for instances of the phrase from Ammianus ....... "dotard's superstition". You will then see the JSTOR article in the second listed position with the commentary which I cut and pasted. I dont see how you can assert I have made any claim to anything in any specific sense.
What then was your purpose in posting the "quote"? Was it not to "show" that AM "knew" that Christianity was a "recent" creation?
Dear Jeffrey,

No it wasn't. At that time I was considering asking for assistance to obtain the PDF itself so that I could read how the author incorporated the term into the article. At that time, though I did not ask if anyone could send me the PDF.

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Be patient please.

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Dear J-D,

When I read this article we may talk again.

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What then was your purpose in posting the "quote"? Was it not to "show" that AM "knew" that Christianity was a "recent" creation?
Dear Jeffrey,

No it wasn't. At that time I was considering asking for assistance to obtain the PDF itself so that I could read how the author incorporated the term into the article.
Really? But you had hopes that that's what he was saying, didn't you?

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At that time, though I did not ask if anyone could send me the PDF.
So .. why did you post the quote on its own?

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With what? All it takes to find out is a few key strokes -- that you've had almost a month to perform.

And why are you dodging the other questions I asked you?

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