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Vinnie · 08-10-2005, 07:59 AM

""""""""Besides, I love the gag where people like Peter, Vinnie and JP complain that they only see 737 Errors and ask """"""""""

Would you mind not using my name in your posts in this manner, please? Its grown tiresome. If you want to critique something I directly stated or wrote, go for it. Otherwise leave me out of your driveby quips and potshots.

Vinnie

Peter Kirby · 08-10-2005, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeWallack

JW:
Now wait just a minute Peter. This a very important decision. One that could affect the course of my entire life. I shall need time to think about it...I'll do it! Sabu, champagne!

Joseph

WARNING - The Skeptical General has determined that the 1001 Errors In The Christian Bible contains dangerous amounts of Tarivial and Nitpicotine. Skeptics should be advised that using it in order to convince a Fundie to count to ten before murdering an abortion provider because murder is always a sin, could be Hazardous to your credibility.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Errors...yguid=68161660

http://hometown.aol.com/abdulreis/myhomepage/index.html

Brilliant! With any luck, construction on the new site will be completed in four to eight weeks.

I'll accept applications from anyone for administrator status, including Christians and Muslims and Jews and atheists and Buddhists and transcendental universalist Thomasine post-panentheist kung fu masters. Just let me know and give a statement of intent.

best wishes,
Peter Kirby, founder of the Thomasine post-panentheist anti-defamation league

Vinnie · 08-11-2005, 12:19 AM

""""""""""""""What I am thinking about is this formula: ( Bible Software + ( SAB * 1001 Errors) ) ^ ( Wiki Technology ) = 666 = The Errancy Site that Will Rock Your Flipping Socks Off.

No, seriously, what I've envisioned for some time now is a Wiki-style site organized by Bible verse where possible contradictions and other errors can be discussed by anyone for each verse."""""""""""""""

Break it into categories:

External errors
--science
--history
--archaeology
--moral

Internal
--Moral inconsistencies
--Contradictions of facts with sub categories
-sub-gospels
-sub-old vs new
--theological or doctrinal contrdictions (e.g. osas, fw/pre)

If you are going to add in all manner of errors then add in a "textual errors" to external, then add in a "translation errors" to the external and if we are going this far, might as well add a hermeneutics section for dealing with interpretation issues and quote mining..

Peter Kirby · 08-11-2005, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinnie

""""""""""""""What I am thinking about is this formula: ( Bible Software + ( SAB * 1001 Errors) ) ^ ( Wiki Technology ) = 666 = The Errancy Site that Will Rock Your Flipping Socks Off.

No, seriously, what I've envisioned for some time now is a Wiki-style site organized by Bible verse where possible contradictions and other errors can be discussed by anyone for each verse."""""""""""""""

Break it into categories:

External errors
--science
--history
--archaeology
--moral

Internal
--Moral inconsistencies
--Contradictions of facts with sub categories
-sub-gospels
-sub-old vs new
--theological or doctrinal contrdictions (e.g. osas, fw/pre)

If you are going to add in all manner of errors then add in a "textual errors" to external, then add in a "translation errors" to the external and if we are going this far, might as well add a hermeneutics section for dealing with interpretation issues and quote mining..

It would be navigable by Bible chapter or by categories. The names of the pages themselves would be standardized "Book #:#" or, in the case of multiple errors per verse, a disambiguation page would be there with "Book #:# (error title)". Contradictions and other errors that span more than one verse would have redirects to an arbitrary verse selected as the representative page.

I have registered errancywiki.com and welcome more ideas on all this.

best wishes,
Peter Kirby

JoeWallack · 08-12-2005, 08:23 AM

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EXCEPTION, n.
A thing which takes the liberty to differ from other things of its class, as an honest man, a truthful woman, etc. "The exception proves the rule" is an expression constantly upon the lips of the ignorant, who parrot it from one another with never a thought of its absurdity. In the Latin, "Exceptio probat regulam" means that the exception tests the rule, puts it to the proof, not confirms it. The malefactor who drew the meaning from this excellent dictum and substituted a contrary one of his own exerted an evil power which appears to be immortal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Grammar Police

I'm sorry to butt in here - but you have the wrong etymology for this idiom.
It has nothing to do with the exception "putting the rule to the proof/test". You are confusing it with the similar phrase - the proof of the pudding is in its eating. That second phrase uses the word "proof" in the manner in which you mean.
The "exception proves the rule" did indeed start out as a Latin phrase. It was part of mediaeval English law. However, you only quoted part of the Latin out of context. The whole phrase was exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis, which means "the exception confirms the rule in the cases not excepted".
The context of this is that, for example, if you see a sign that says "No drinks served on Sunday", then you can reasonably infer from this exception that drinks are served during the rest of the week.
In other words - the existence of the stated exception to the rule can be used to prove (in the legal sense, not the logical sense) that the rule exists.
I must apologise to those who think that this digression is off topic for this thread, but it is an ideal demonstration of how easily an "error" can be seen in a translated phrase because the person who sees the "error" has a faulty understanding (or a lack of context) of the version in the original language.

JW:
At last, someone who understands what the 1001 Errors List is all about. I tell you the truth, I copied the above from Ambrose Bierce's copy and the logic didn't seem to work for me either. I just liked the way the whole thing sounded. Unfortunately, Mr. Bierce is currently unavailable for a rebuttal as he appears to have gone wherever the hell the WMDs and Jesus have been hiding for the last 2,000 years.

Ya know, I could use someone just like you for the monumental 1001 Errors In The Christian Bible project (I assume you agree that generally using the definite article means that the definite article was intended). You wouldn't happen to have a Greek cousin would you?

Joseph (worrying that perhaps my time would have been better spent here running the above through spell check than adding the following)

EDITOR, n.
A person who combines the judicial functions of Minos, Rhadamanthus and Aeacus, but is placable with an obolus; a severely virtuous censor, but so charitable withal that he tolerates the virtues of others and the vices of himself; who flings about him the splintering lightning and sturdy thunders of admonition till he resembles a bunch of firecrackers petulantly uttering his mind at the tail of a dog; then straightway murmurs a mild, melodious lay, soft as the cooing of a donkey intoning its prayer to the evening star. Master of mysteries and lord of law, high-pinnacled upon the throne of thought, his face suffused with the dim splendors of the Transfiguration, his legs intertwisted and his tongue a-cheek, the editor spills his will along the paper and cuts it off in lengths to suit. And at intervals from behind the veil of the temple is heard the voice of the foreman demanding three inches of wit and six lines of religious meditation, or bidding him turn off the wisdom and whack up some pathos.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Errors...yguid=68161660

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08-10-2005, 07:59 AM	#31
Vinnie Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Waterbury, Ct, Usa Posts: 6,523	""""""""Besides, I love the gag where people like Peter, Vinnie and JP complain that they only see 737 Errors and ask """""""""" Would you mind not using my name in your posts in this manner, please? Its grown tiresome. If you want to critique something I directly stated or wrote, go for it. Otherwise leave me out of your driveby quips and potshots. Vinnie

08-11-2005, 12:19 AM	#33
Vinnie Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Waterbury, Ct, Usa Posts: 6,523	""""""""""""""What I am thinking about is this formula: ( Bible Software + ( SAB * 1001 Errors) ) ^ ( Wiki Technology ) = 666 = The Errancy Site that Will Rock Your Flipping Socks Off. No, seriously, what I've envisioned for some time now is a Wiki-style site organized by Bible verse where possible contradictions and other errors can be discussed by anyone for each verse.""""""""""""""" Break it into categories: External errors --science --history --archaeology --moral Internal --Moral inconsistencies --Contradictions of facts with sub categories -sub-gospels -sub-old vs new --theological or doctrinal contrdictions (e.g. osas, fw/pre) If you are going to add in all manner of errors then add in a "textual errors" to external, then add in a "translation errors" to the external and if we are going this far, might as well add a hermeneutics section for dealing with interpretation issues and quote mining..

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