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hinduwoman · 08-19-2009, 08:35 AM

What is the criteria to be regarded as worthy of being the mother of God?

In Bible, the angel simply comes to Mary but what was so special about her that she was selected over other women?

RC speaks of Immaculate Conception, but that just pushes the problem further. Why were Mary's parents considered to be worthy of this honour of bearing a child without original sin?

The Bible does not explain anything.

premjan · 08-19-2009, 08:46 AM

Accident?

show_no_mercy · 08-19-2009, 08:50 AM

Read the Infancy Evangelion of James. I mean, it's not canonical and thus not historical... but there's hardly anything "historical" in the canonical gospels.

xaxxat · 08-19-2009, 08:58 AM

Wouldn't she have to be sinless too? Isn't sin supposedly passed through the blood?

Steven Avery · 08-19-2009, 09:27 AM

Hi Folks,

Quote:

Originally Posted by xaxxat

Wouldn't she have to be sinless too? Isn't sin supposedly passed through the blood?

Passed through the male, the late Arthur Custance (Doorway Papers) writes about this nicely.

Good question, and the basics of some major doctrinal misunderstandings in both RCC and some 'Protestant' teachings.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

xaxxat · 08-19-2009, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Hi Folks,

Quote:

Originally Posted by xaxxat

Wouldn't she have to be sinless too? Isn't sin supposedly passed through the blood?

Passed through the male, the late Arthur Custance (Doorway Papers) writes about this nicely.

Good question, and the basics of some major doctrinal misunderstandings in both RCC and some 'Protestant' teachings.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

So females are sinless?

Steven Avery · 08-19-2009, 09:56 AM

Hi Folks,

Quote:

Originally Posted by xaxxat

So females are sinless?

No, their seed is not the vessel for the transmission of the yetzer hara.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

show_no_mercy · 08-19-2009, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xaxxat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Hi Folks,

Passed through the male, the late Arthur Custance (Doorway Papers) writes about this nicely.

Good question, and the basics of some major doctrinal misunderstandings in both RCC and some 'Protestant' teachings.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

So females are sinless?

The better explanation is that 1st century science didn't know that women actually had eggs. They just thought that the woman's womb was an incubator for the man's sperm. It was the sperm itself that grew into a human being, not male sperm fertilizing female eggs. They had no idea why women had their periods.

Understanding this, this is what allowed the gospel writer(s) to declare immaculate conception. It wasn't that the "holy spirit" combined with Mary's eggs. The "holy spirit" simply grew inside of Mary's womb - thus Jesus didn't share any blood with Mary.

When it was discovered that women had eggs, then you start getting all of these modern questions about sin and blood and all that nonsense. The creators of the virgin birth story didn't need to explain that because they didn't think that Jesus and Mary shared any DNA.

semiopen · 08-19-2009, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Hi Folks,

Quote:

Originally Posted by xaxxat

So females are sinless?

No, their seed is not the vessel for the transmission of the yetzer hara.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

Do you have a source for that view Steven?

It sounds Talmudic.

Thanks

xaxxat · 08-19-2009, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Hi Folks,

Quote:

Originally Posted by xaxxat

So females are sinless?

No, their seed is not the vessel for the transmission of the yetzer hara.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

What do you mean by "seed"?

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hinduwoman Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: India Posts: 6,977	How was Mary chosen? What is the criteria to be regarded as worthy of being the mother of God? In Bible, the angel simply comes to Mary but what was so special about her that she was selected over other women? RC speaks of Immaculate Conception, but that just pushes the problem further. Why were Mary's parents considered to be worthy of this honour of bearing a child without original sin? The Bible does not explain anything.

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