Dave31

LOL, I notice those who complain the most about 18th/19th century scholarship tend to know the least about it and are simply regurgitating crap they heard from others on the net who also don't know what they're talking about.

You better run over to tell Cambridge University Press to stop the new 2013 reprint of 'The Classical Journal,' a series from the early 1800s. One volume of The Classical Journal (vol. 27) reprinted by Cambridge contains an article by Rev. John Bellamy, "On the Heathen Mythology," which explores the correspondences between Moses and Dionysus.

From the Cambridge reprint's summary:

"A precursor of modern academic journals, this quarterly periodical, published between 1810 and 1829 and now reissued in forty volumes, was founded and edited by Abraham John Valpy (1787-1854). Educated at Pembroke College, Oxford, Valpy established himself in London as an editor and publisher, primarily of classical texts. Edmund Henry Barker (1788-1839), who had studied at Trinity College, Cambridge, became a contributor and then co-editor of this journal, which fuelled a scholarly feud with the editors of the Museum criticism (1813-26), a rival periodical (also reissued in the Cambridge Library Collection). Although its coverage overlapped with that of its competitor, the Classical Journal also included general literary and antiquarian articles as well as Oxford and Cambridge prize poems and examination papers. It remains a valuable resource, illuminating the development of nineteenth-century classical scholarship and academic journals...."

http://www.freethoughtnation.com/for...p=27535#p27535

Robert Tulip

Let's see. Zwaadddijk's source for this assertion, as far as I could tell, is that Acharya stated "biblical places, nations and tribes are frequently referred to allegorically as "he" or "she," which makes it difficult to figure out whether the speaker is talking about a person, group, place or thing."

Once again we see Zwaarddijk applying a false, disturbed and distorted analysis, displaying elementary failures of comprehension to create his own imaginary misreading, just as he has done for almost all his feverish attacks. That is why quarantining his slander would be a good idea.

I have read Zwaarddijk's blogs, but they don't make any sense. The above is typical. In another case, Acharya said " the very notion of the monotheistic Hebrew God, as allegedly depicted in the Old Testament, who could produce a son, is baseless." Zwaarddijk somehow extracted from this statement the bizarre and false conclusion that it must mean ""God does not exist, so Jesus cannot exist either". Again, Zwaarddijk uses a straw man argument to critique a claim Acharya does not make, but which he calls "the only reasonable way of reading it", even though it is simply illogical.

spin

You probably won't be doing many more drive-bys. Your brand of prurient rubbish is unlikely to pass any quality control.

They aren't your threads, sunny Jim. You may have started this one but that gives you no ownership rights nor the right to insult other members. I have no qualms in pointing out your unacceptible behaviour and if you don't like that I'd recommend you pull your socks up and act more responsibly, ie no more insults and be a bit more involved in constructive discussion. If you can't do that, you are just saying you don't belong here. In that case you should take your freethinkaluvva ass somewhere where you will be prepared to act more responsibly.

Driving by just to tout Acharya S new age piffle won't win you any fans, just lose you respect. I don't think there's any market for your piffle salesmanship here.

Zwaarddijk

Robert Tulip,
how about when she tells us
" Thus, again, we discover that biblical characters are not actual persons but allegory for places. We also discover that certain places are allegory for other places:
... and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified. (Rev. 11:8)
Of course, this fact is hidden by some translators, who render the word "allegorically" as "spiritually"."
The word she says they are "hiding" from us is PNEUMATIKOS. She's lying about what the translators are doing.

She thinks the _medieval_ book of Jasher was supressed from the Bible because it contained too much astrology. (Without telling her readership that the book is medieval, instead misleading them into thinking that the extant medieval Midrash-collection actually is the Book of Jasher mentioned in the Old Testament. Of course, she didn't even tell us which one of the handful of books by that title it is she's referring to - I just happened to look up which one contains that particular narrative and verified it correlates with what Acharya says it says.)

She thinks the Ashkenazi Jews have been called Ashkenazi since antiquity (or some other equally confused notion):
"Both of these groups, Semites and Aryans, are claimed in the Bible to have been "sons of Noah" who were to "share the same tent" and to enslave the descendants of Noah's third son, the Hamites; thus, at some point their distinction could not have been very pronounced. In fact, the Aryans and Semites are more intermingled than suspected, as some of the "sons of Japheth" became Ashkenazi, or "European Jews," as stated at Genesis 10:2-3. Indeed, the distinction was made long afterwards, when the Yahwists were compiling their books and attempting to promote themselves as strict segregationists." (Ashkenazi as a designation for the European Jews is a post-medieval development, where Jews first reapplied Biblical names to various areas and nations they came across, c.f. Sepharad for Spain and Tzarfat for France); later on, the name of the region was reapplied to the Jews living in the region - using this as evidence for ethnic relations in Antiquity isn't just misguided, it's fucking retarded.

Her arguments that YHWH is a Volcano God reach levels of pure insanity:
"Furthermore, a representation of the Jewish "Feast of the giving of the law" has an image of an erupting volcano - Mt. Sinai- with the two tablets of the Ten Commandments above it. As Jordan Maxwell points out, the benediction or blessing sign of the Feast is the same as the split-fingered, "live long and prosper" salutation of the Vulcan character Spock on "Star Trek." Vulcan, of course, is the same word as volcano, and the Roman god Vulcan was also a lightning and volcano god. In volcano cults, the thunderous noise coming from the mountain is considered the "voice of God," the same voice that "spoke" to Moses in the myth."

She does her usual linguistic bullshitting:
" In the ancient languages of Ireland and Sri Lanka, "Baal" means "sun.""
(I checked two of the languages of Sri Lanka, no "Baal" meaning sun in either of those, but as usual she leaves out MENTIONING WHICH FUCKING LANGUAGE SHE'S EVEN TALKING OF!!!! (The other languages of Sri Lanka are spoken by very small groups, thus obtaining material about them is nearly impossible for me.) And I've debunked the claim about Irish once already)

She relies on wordings in a translation of Augustine (yet repeatedly in her oeuvre claims to read the Latin originals and being meticulous about that!) when accusing the Catholic church of certain things:
"In fact, early Christian fathers admitted that Jesus's appearance was unknown. For example, as St. Augustine said of Christ, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "in his time there was no authentic portrait of Christ, and ... the type of features was still undetermined, so that we have absolutely no knowledge of His appearance." How, pray tell, did anyone recognize him? Despite the lack of any gospel description, Jesus was alternately described by the early Christian fathers as either "the most beautiful of the sons of men" or "the ugliest of the sons of men" -- another highly strange development, if this character were real. But, as Augustine admitted, this debate existed before the "type of features" was determined, i.e., fabricated and standardized. "
(I went and found the original Augustine quote- to which her reference is mistaken, might I add - and the latin differs significantly from her fabrication!)

She quotes Frank Muccie claiming that the Nag Hammadi scrolls contain statements that Jesus and the disciples were not Jewish:
"To repeat, the Gnostic texts were non-historicizing, allegorical and mythological. In other words, they did not tell the story of a "historical" Jewish master. As a further example, regarding the Gnostic texts dating from the fourth century and found at Nag Hammadi in Egypt, Frank Muccie exclaims, "Still another interesting fact recorded in this same Coptic collection of Gospel fragments is that the disciples did not refer to themselves as Jews, but were from other nations - and that Jesus was also not a Jew!""
I read through the Nag Hammadi texts (in translation, I admit - but Acharya's proven herself quite happy to be content with translations), and there's no such thing in it. Frank Muccie, however, was the founder of a cult based on "a scroll from Nag Hammadi" that NO ONE ELSE EVER HAS SEEN, and now he's dead and no one knows where it is. (Hint: it never existed.) Bad referencing habit, btw: she should have fucking well pointed out which fucking documents in the NH library those statements were in.

You are, Robert Tulip, welcome to attempt debunking these on my blog if you dare.

Toto

Your moderators request that you avoid personal insults and keep the emotional level under control. Thanks

Toto

Not to get too off topic - Frank Mucci based his society on the DSS, not the Naag Hammadi scrolls

Alterantive Jesus

Mucci and Allegro

Jesus was a vegetarian

There is a "Humane Gospel of Christ" here

I thought that Acharya S's quote in the Christ Conspiracy relating to Mucci was footnoted to Nicholas Notovitch p. 6 = "The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ" which is in a free e-book here - but this does not make a lot of sense.

Perhaps this is one of the errors that Acharya S will correct.

outhouse

Its a tricky word that can be used in a lot of different ways depending on who is using it.

Its not just spirit but there is a substance to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMVatCd_1xM

7:30- 10-30 gives Pauls persepective on it.


I agree, theres another guy trolling religious forums all over trying to pass this off.

failing to realize Israelites have had a volcano god, and it was none of the family of deities adopted from the Canaanite and possible Midianites for Yahweh.


I call it over active imagination

mountainman

If Eusebius is bluffing then the Christ and the antichrist Arius entered the world together (like a particle/antiparticle pair) 1688 years ago at the Council of Nicaea. Under the dark cloud of a violent and massive "Arian" controversy the victorious 5th century church historians concealed the appearance of the fictional Jesus.


IMO he already came 325 CE. The five sophisms of that "Porphyrian" Arius, were appended to the earliest Nicaean Creed as a disclaimer clause concerning what was not to be believed about the so-called historical Jesus.

History discloses that these sophisms were chanted for many generations.

"He was made from nothing existing" ....

Arius is the most thoroughly demonised heretic in Christian history.

mountainman

This is just chest beating.

Juma

Ever heard of "history of ideas" and "science history"?